Re: OpenFlow, please don't start a flame war...

2012-12-15 Thread Dave Israel
On 12/14/2012 11:11 PM, eric-l...@truenet.com wrote: It's been about 2 years in since I've heard about the concept, and honestly I'm about ready to jump into test environments at my house. My questions are pretty basic, what distro would you recommend for a controller, and should I start by

Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right?

2012-01-05 Thread Dave Israel
On 1/5/2012 11:29 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:09:59AM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: Didn't *say* broadband. Didn't even say Internet service. Said Internet *access*, in the non-techspeak meaning of those words. For the purposes of my e-mail and this

Re: incoming smtp from v6 addresses

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Israel
On 1/4/2012 10:46 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: I suspect the higher inbound values might be due to tech mailling lists which tend to come from IPv6 enabled hosts ? Yeah, all of my (non-internal) ipv6 mail is from such mailing lists. -Dave

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/2/2011 10:52 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: No, the point is that DNS resolvers in different places all use the same addresses. So at the cyber cafe 3003::3003 is the cyber cafe DNS but at the airport 3003::3003 is the airport DNS. (Or in both cases, if they don't run a DNS server, one

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/2/2011 5:42 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: I must have missed something. Why would u do NAT in IPv6? 1) To allow yourself to change or maintain multiple upstreams without renumbering. 2) To allow your IPv6-only hosts to reach IPv4 addresses, or vice versa. 3) To give all your outbound

Re: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/1/2011 2:57 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1 feb 2011, at 16:21, Jack Bates wrote: I still know a LOT of people who have no desire to switch. They are holding out until vendors implement the features they want. NAPTv6, default router in DHCPv6, etc, etc. What's the point of

Re: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/1/2011 3:10 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: - Original Message - On 2/1/2011 2:57 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1 feb 2011, at 16:21, Jack Bates wrote: I still know a LOT of people who have no desire to switch. They are holding out until vendors implement the features they want.

Re: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/1/2011 3:32 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1 feb 2011, at 21:03, Dave Israel wrote: People want to engineer their networks they way they want to. Let them. If their way is stupid, then they'll have the stupidly engineered network they wanted. The problem is that their stupidity

Re: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread Dave Israel
On 2/1/2011 9:33 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Owen DeLongo...@delong.com said: On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Karl Auer wrote: Devil's advocate hat on: NAT (in its most common form) also permits internal addressing to be independent of

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Dave Israel
On 8/27/2010 3:22 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: When you are processing something, it's sometimes hard to tell if something just was mis-parsed (as I think the case is here with the missing-2-bytes) vs just getting garbage. Perhaps there should be some way to re-sync when you are having this

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-27 Thread Dave Israel
On 4/27/2010 1:36 PM, Andy Davidson wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:29:59AM -0400, John R. Levine wrote: Did you use Yahoo IM, AIM, or Skype? Yes, yes, and yes. Works fine. What about every other service/protocol that users use today, and might be invented tomorrow ? Do

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Dave Israel
On 4/9/2010 12:30 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Put differently, you work in this arena too... you've presumably talked to stakeholders. Can you list some of the reasons people have provided for not adopting v6, and are any of them related to the v6 policies regarding address space?

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-26 Thread Dave Israel
On 3/26/2010 1:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: You should ask your server guy how he plans to talk to your core stakeholders when they can't get IPv4 any more. Then, at that time, both he and his key stakeholders will experience pain while they both

Re: more news from Google

2010-01-13 Thread Dave Israel
Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-01-13, at 11:31, Anthony Uk wrote: The ability to automatically discern users' political positions from their inbox is not one that any email provider reasonably needs. It's arguably something that gmail users consent to when they give Google rights to

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-24 Thread Dave Israel
I _do_ create action plans and _do_ quarterback each step and _do_ slap down any attempt to deviate. imagine a network engineering culture where the concept of 'attempt to deviate' just does not occur. Are you trying to suggest that this is something horrible, or that it's the

Re: small site multi-homing (related to: Small guys with BGP issues)

2009-11-03 Thread Dave Israel
Clue Store wrote: Well you and the rest of these so called dreamers can help with the purchase of my new routers that don't exist yet to support you wanting to multi-home a /29 and have the rest of the Internet world hold all of these said /29's in their tables. Most folks who get a /29's

Re: small site multi-homing (related to: Small guys with BGP issues)

2009-11-03 Thread Dave Israel
Clue Store wrote: I think you're missing my point and did not read my post completely. First off, BGP was never mentioned in my post. Oops, you are correct. Somebody else said BGP. You spoke of the existing table, and so I had BGP in my mind, and I muddled the two together. Mea culpa.

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

2009-08-03 Thread Dave Israel
Paul Vixie wrote: digital security is getting a lot of investor attention right now. i wonder if this will ever consolidate or if pandora's box is just broken for all time. It'll consolidate to the point where probabilities and probably costs can be accurately assessed, at which point it

Re: AH or ESP

2009-05-26 Thread Dave Israel
Tony Hain wrote: Merike Kaeo wrote: ... ESP-Null came about when folks realized AH could not traverse NATs. Thus the absolute reason why people should promote AH to kill off the 66nat nonsense. Just because you can't use it for IPv4 is no reason to avoid using it for IPv6 now

Re: switch speed question

2009-02-25 Thread Dave Israel
Nathan Ward wrote: On 26/02/2009, at 2:48 AM, David Barak wrote: If two hosts are exchanging 1Gbps flows, the traffic across the bus will be 2Gbps, right? You don't get to add transmit and receive together to get 48Gbps. Packets don't go across the backplane once to receive, and then once

Re: 3/11 (invalid or corrupt AS path)

2009-02-16 Thread Dave Israel
We're seeing them from AS 48438, coming across to us as an Optional Transitive Attribute which our force-10s are not parsing (but cheerfully passing along to our clients, who are then flapping their peers because of it.) Sample route; 91.210.248.0/23 Ozar wrote: I am starting to see random

Re: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity facts

2008-11-03 Thread Dave Israel
Rod Beck wrote: And a 'Tier One' nework is a transit-free network that can reach all end points (end user IP addresses) A Tier One is best defined as the ISP the salesman represents. It originally referred to transit-free, settlement-free ISPs, but over time, bigger ISPs began to play with

Re: Force10 Gear - Opinions

2008-09-04 Thread Dave Israel
Paul Wall wrote: Please realize that the above is list vs. list. Cisco 6500 series hardware is extremely popular in the secondary market, with discounts of 80% or greater on linecards, etc common, furthering the argument that Cisco is the cheaper of the two solutions. Secondary market

Re: interger to I P address

2008-08-27 Thread Dave Israel
Normally, I don't participate in this sort of thing, but I'm a sucker for a there's more than one way to do it challenge. Shadow wrote: Robert D. Scott wrote: The harder way: Decimal: 1089055123 Hex (dashes inserted at octals): 40-E9-A9-93 Decimal (of each octet): 64-233-169-147 IP