Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman / RIP Network Neutrality

2014-05-15 Thread arvindersingh
Owen this is interesting I think also...but how do u prove motive? Arvinder >> Yes, you've got "some of the largest Internet companies as customers². >> Because you told them "if you don't pay us, we'll throttle you". Then >> you throttled them. I'm sorry, not a winning argument. >> Nick > > Cl

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality

2014-05-15 Thread arvindersingh
Jason I think it is important to consider that you are operating your AS 7922 to serve a global Internet. In US, there is not a lot of choke because all the big Internet property - Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon - pay toll to reach Comcast Broadband customer. If they do not pay u, there is n

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality

2014-05-15 Thread arvindersingh
Jason, like Kevin, thank you very much for opening up to us. It is not every day that someone so close to the issues posts with insight. >From what we see here in India, it is true only Comcast and Verizon are access networks with peering problems. We are able to reach Cox, RCN, Charter, Sonoma

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality

2014-05-15 Thread arvindersingh
Yes Kevin, this is understood - but valid observation from Nick. Can you pls answer my question first? Very curious. Arvinder > Guys, I'm already pretty far off the reservation and will not respond to > trolling. I think most ISPs are starting to avoid participation here for > the same reason.

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)

2014-05-15 Thread arvindersingh
Kevin first thank you for posting to NANOG to help with the issues...not every day we see Comcast executive on engineering mailing lists. *LOL* I have two issues with the comments: 1. You mention that congestion issues to Comcast peers are temporary. I notice AS6543 "Tata Communication" - major