Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-13 Thread JC Dill
Tim Yocum wrote: Patrick is correct - the subscriber count is just north of 10k; likely far greater readership considering web archives, remailers, etc. However... subscribership != readership. There are always many subscribers who don't actively read every post, or every day. (I'm just

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-07 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: back office software ip and dns management software provisioning tools cpe measurement and monitoring and billing and, of course, backbone and aggregation equipment that can actually handle real ipv6 traffic flows with acls and chocolate syrup.

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2 mei 2008, at 20:51, Mike Leber wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ Unfortunately that won't load for me over IPv6, path MTU black hole... ps. 1000 days assumes no rush,

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-04 Thread David Conrad
On May 3, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: William Warren wrote: That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded by organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. which one's would those be? While I wouldn't call it hoarding, can any single (non-ISP)

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-04 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 4, 2008, at 11:01 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 3, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: William Warren wrote: That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded by organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. which one's would those be? While I wouldn't

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Randy Bush wrote: back office software ip and dns management software provisioning tools cpe measurement and monitoring and billing and, of course, backbone and aggregation equipment that can actually handle real ipv6 traffic flows with acls and chocolate syrup. Not

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sat, 3 May 2008, Randy Bush wrote: back office software ip and dns management software provisioning tools cpe measurement and monitoring and billing and, of course, backbone and aggregation equipment that can actually handle real ipv6 traffic flows with acls

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread Geoff Huston
Mike Leber wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ ps. 1000 days assumes no rush, speculation, or hoarding. Do people do that? pps. Of course these are provocative comments for

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread William Warren
That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded by organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. Geoff Huston wrote: Mike Leber wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion:

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
William Warren wrote: That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded by organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. which one's would those be? legacy class A address space just isn't that big... Geoff Huston wrote: Mike Leber wrote: Since nobody mentioned

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Let's think smaller. /16 shall we say? Like the /16 here. Originally the SRI / ARPANET SF Bay Packet Radio network that started back in 1977. Now controlled by a shell company belonging to a shell company belonging to a high volume email deployer :)

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread jamie
You first, mister chicken-with-his-head-cut-off. What's your plan? On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Mike Leber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ Do you have an IPv6

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 2, 2008, at 5:40 PM, jamie wrote: You first, mister chicken-with-his-head-cut-off. What's your plan? Mike owns Hurricane Electric. HE.net has the most v6 routes, peering, and pretty much any other metric you can dream up. His .sig says Wholesale IPv4 and IPv6 Transit. What do

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Deepak Jain
ppps. Or not if you don't have any kind of IPv6 plan. Sorry, sorry... Does it take most network operators more than 1000 days to make an IPv6 plan and start implementing it? I suppose there is always some network running obsolete gear out somewhere, but their upstream guy may provide

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Chris McDonald
Mike and HE are all over that ipv6 On 5/2/08, jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You first, mister chicken-with-his-head-cut-off. What's your plan? On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Mike Leber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread David Conrad
Has anyone ever figured out how to make multi-homing of customers who only have a /64 assigned to them work? Same way you make multi-homing of customers who only have a IPv4 /32 assigned to them work, i.e., not well. Maybe the world really will end, and it's all due to IPv6! Internet

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Sean Figgins wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Mike Leber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion: No worries, the Internet is going to end in 2010, and the world ends on December 21, 2012. I don't

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Randy Bush
back office software ip and dns management software provisioning tools cpe measurement and monitoring and billing and, of course, backbone and aggregation equipment that can actually handle real ipv6 traffic flows with acls and chocolate syrup. randy

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 2, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Marc Manthey wrote: P.S. 10K of your not-so-close friends? does this mean this list has 10.000 subscribers ? I've heard all kinds of numbers, you can probably dig something out of the archives. But my understanding is there are far greater than 10K mailboxes

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-02 Thread Tim Yocum
All, Patrick is correct - the subscriber count is just north of 10k; likely far greater readership considering web archives, remailers, etc. - Tim On 5/2/08, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 2, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Marc Manthey wrote: P.S. 10K of your not-so-close