Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-13 Thread Charles Wyble
I sense a thread moderation occurring here shortly. valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:39:23 EDT, Izaac said: Do you realize that you're putting trust in the sane action of parties who conclude their reasoning process with destruction and murder? And how is that different

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:39:23 EDT, Izaac said: > Do you realize that you're putting trust in the sane action of parties > who conclude their reasoning process with destruction and murder? And how is that different from a US general plotting destruction and the killing of enemy troops during an off

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-13 Thread Izaac
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:37:00AM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > as long as the west's ideological opponents want terror rather than panic, > and also to inflict long term losses rather than short term losses, that's > true. in this light you can hopefully understand why bollards to protect > interne

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Peter Beckman
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Lamar Owen wrote: The locking covers I have seen here put the lock(s) on the inside cover cam jackscrew (holes through the jackscrew close to the inside cover seal rod nut), rather than on the outside cover, thus keeping the padlocks out of the weather. I'm starting to wo

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Paul Vixie
Christopher Morrow writes: > and I also would ask.. what's the cost/risk here? 'We' lost at best > ~1day for some folks in the outage, nothing global and nothing > earth-shattering... This has happened (this sort of thing) 1 time in > how many years? Expending $$ and time and people to go 'put p

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Greco wrote: >> On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote: >> > Speaking of that, a manhole cover is >> > typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of >> > concrete. >> >> An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice th

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Joe Greco
> On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote: > > Speaking of that, a manhole cover is > > typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of > > concrete. > > An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel > manhole covers in minutes. Yes,

Re: [OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> You can cut the concrete, too, for that matter, with oxyacetylene, as long as > you wear certain protective gear. We have a few vault covers here that are > concrete covering the largest vaults we have. You need more than a manhole > hook to get one of those covers up. And when you think

[OT] Re: Fiber cut in SF area

2009-04-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote: > Speaking of that, a manhole cover is > typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of > concrete. An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel manhole covers in minutes. You can cut the co