Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:09 PM, John Curran wrote: > On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:06 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> ARIN asserts they've taken no action because community developed >> policy instructs them not to. That is a half-truth. The whole truth >> is that ARIN has

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread John Curran
On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:06 PM, William Herrin wrote: > ... > 3. In it's 20-year history, ARIN has taken no actions whatsoever > against legacy address holders inconsistent with legacy address blocks > being common law property, save this: ARIN has not consistently > updated the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 6:18 PM, John Curran wrote: > The agency with actual authority in these matters (NTIA) > subsequently issued a > statement of the the US Government’s Internet Protocol > Numbering Principles, > which noted that “the American Registry for Internet Numbers >

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread Owen DeLong
That page is rather out of date as the RIPE policy it refers to was passed and then modified to (somewhat) restore needs basis. Owen > On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Enno Rey wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:26:36AM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> On 9/30/16 09:49,

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread Jim Mercer
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 08:57:01AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > fwiw, i did a transfer with the source in arin. i found arin's folk > very very helpful, and the process navigable, even for someone who is > administratively impaired such as i. yep, i agree. i recently was the source of a pile of

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread John Curran
On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> The agency with actual authority in these matters (NTIA) > > inappropriate use of present tense Yes, Randy - excellent point. I should have included "at the time" in that sentence... Thanks! /John

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread Randy Bush
fwiw, i did a transfer with the source in arin. i found arin's folk very very helpful, and the process navigable, even for someone who is administratively impaired such as i. ignore the political positioning, plan ahead, be sure of all your options at each fork in the road, and proceed with

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread Randy Bush
> The agency with actual authority in these matters (NTIA) inappropriate use of present tense

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread John Curran
On 3 Oct 2016, at 3:57 AM, Martin Hannigan > wrote: ... Disclaimer: Get IPv6. Deploy it. Avoid cost. With that said… Indeed: we are likely to have a rather convoluted market supply curve for IPv4 blocks over the next decade, and those dependent on

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 10:56 PM, John Curran wrote: > On 30 Sep 2016, at 12:49 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> [ clip ] > >> I'm thinking of referring both parties to an experienced broker as well. > > That certainly works - there is a list of several

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-02 Thread John Curran
On 30 Sep 2016, at 1:34 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > On 9/30/16 1:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> Note that you can't sell the block as an "owned asset" and have ARIN >> recognize the change. ARIN does not recognize ownership of IP address >> blocks, they only recognize

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-02 Thread John Curran
On 30 Sep 2016, at 1:42 PM, Jim Mercer wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:22:19PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: >> 1. Buyer gets approved by ARIN for a specified transfer in the amount >> to be purchased. Signs RSA. >> 2. Legacy registrant (seller) signs the LRSA, proves

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-02 Thread John Curran
On 30 Sep 2016, at 1:47 PM, Enno Rey wrote: > ... > Note also there's voices recommending not to sign an RSA for legacy space (in > certain situations, at least), see > http://ipv4marketgroup.com/dont-sign-an-rsa-during-your-82-ipv4-transfer/. Probably best to talk to a variety

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-10-02 Thread John Curran
On 30 Sep 2016, at 12:49 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but > coming up short. I'm not the seller or buyer in this, but basically someone > has a legacy block allocated by Postel and wants to sell the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Matthew Kaufman
But only the recipient must put them under an RSA in order to have them registered. The source need not have an RSA or LRSA for their legacy blocks, at least as I understand it. I'd also suggest that having a broker is useful, because the few well-known ones that exist are well-versed in the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 9/30/16 1:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> Note that you can't sell the block as an "owned asset" and have ARIN >> recognize the change. ARIN does not recognize ownership of IP address >> blocks, they only recognize

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Enno Rey wrote: > Note also there's voices recommending not to sign an RSA for legacy space (in > certain situations, at least), see > http://ipv4marketgroup.com/dont-sign-an-rsa-during-your-82-ipv4-transfer/. Hi Enno, The article says: "Never

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Enno Rey
Hi, On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:26:36AM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/30/16 09:49, Bryan Fields wrote: > > I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but > > coming up short. I'm not the seller or buyer in this, but basically someone > > has a legacy block

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Jim Mercer
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:22:19PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: > 1. Buyer gets approved by ARIN for a specified transfer in the amount > to be purchased. Signs RSA. > 2. Legacy registrant (seller) signs the LRSA, proves identity and > authority to ARIN, places legacy block under the LRSA. i

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Bryan Fields
On 9/30/16 1:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: > Note that you can't sell the block as an "owned asset" and have ARIN > recognize the change. ARIN does not recognize ownership of IP address > blocks, they only recognize registration and authorized agents. This would seem to be in violation of what the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/30/16 09:49, Bryan Fields wrote: I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but coming up short. I'm not the seller or buyer in this, but basically someone has a legacy block allocated by Postel and wants to sell the block as it's an owned asset. What's the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but > coming up short. I'm not the seller or buyer in this, but basically someone > has a legacy block allocated by Postel and wants to sell the

Re: ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Jared Mauch
I would review this: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/65-160524.ripe-transfer.pdf - Jared > On Sep 30, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but > coming up short. I'm not the seller or

ARIN legacy block transfer process

2016-09-30 Thread Bryan Fields
I'm trying to find a place on ARIN's website where this is addressed, but coming up short. I'm not the seller or buyer in this, but basically someone has a legacy block allocated by Postel and wants to sell the block as it's an owned asset. What's the process to get ARIN to move the