Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/18/10 7:27 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: From: "Robert E. Seastrom" ... I can see a future where you buy internet from the cable co and they give you the basic cable TV channel lineup at "no charge" but in reality, you're paying for the cable internet what you used to pay for both cable intern

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: "Robert E. Seastrom" > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:51:17 -0500 > > > Jon Lewis writes: > > >> This Can't End Well. > > > > Why not? As people shift from watching broadcast channels to > > streaming content and look to shut off their cable TV service, but > > keep internet, the cable co'

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-18 Thread Andrew Odlyzko
It's an interesting question. Even leaving aside the question of billing costs, there are conflicting incentives. Service providers want to extract maximal revenues, but that requires not just fine-scaled pricing, but very overt and fine-scaled price discrimination (which may often be illegal).

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-18 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Jon Lewis writes: >> This Can't End Well. > > Why not? As people shift from watching broadcast channels to > streaming content and look to shut off their cable TV service, but > keep internet, the cable co's are just going to have to raise internet > prices to compensate. I can see a future wh

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Jeffrey S. Young
On 17/12/2010, at 1:17 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Original Message - >> From: "JC Dill" > >> On 17/12/10 4:54 AM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: >>> I do believe that video over the Internet is about to change the >>> cable business in a very deep and possibly traumatic way. >> >> +

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Jay Ashworth wrote: individual subscriber pushed the complexity up, in much the same way that flat rate telecom services are popular equally because customers prefer them, and because the *cost of keeping track* becomes >delta. Can someone then please explain me why the hell in many other count

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, December 17, 2010 01:27:44 pm Jon Lewis wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > and the cable > > networks themselves will have *no* way to collect revenue; > The people I see this being a problem for are > HBO/Showtime/Stars etc. HBO, et al == the cable networks thems

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Jay Ashworth wrote: The more I look at this, the more it looks like "pharmaceuticals bought from Canada are cheaper than ones purchased in America -- and they will be *just as long* as only a minority of Americans buy them there. As soon as *everyone* in America is buying t

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - > From: "JC Dill" > On 17/12/10 4:54 AM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: > > I do believe that video over the Internet is about to change the > > cable business in a very deep and possibly traumatic way. > > +1 > > It's clear that this is a major driving factor in th

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread JC Dill
On 17/12/10 4:54 AM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: I do believe that video over the Internet is about to change the cable business in a very deep and possibly traumatic way. +1 It's clear that this is a major driving factor in the Comcast/L3/Netflix peering/transit issue. Comcast is obvio

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-17 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
I have been trying to get NASA TV in Uruguay for a long time, obviously to no avail. Even though it's probably free / very cheap. I do believe that video over the Internet is about to change the cable business in a very deep and possibly traumatic way. Even I only have 4 megs DSL at home and have

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-16 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > the 80s when that practice got started -- having to account for each > individual subscriber pushed the complexity up, in much the same way > that flat rate telecom services are popular equally because customers > prefer them, and because the

RE: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-16 Thread Frank Bulk
r has what channel and making sure it's billed appropriately. With digital simulcast, and the right backend system, this could become manageable. Frank -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:27 PM To: NANOG Subject: Alac

Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brian Rettke" > Interesting point. I'd also like to point out that putting the cost on > the content providers rather than the network may raise the cost of > the content service, but only to those that want that service. In > effect, if the transport provide