Re: Leasing of space via non-connectivity providers (was: Re: And so it ends... )

2011-02-05 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 04:54:42PM +, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: My point being, the leasing of IP space to non-connectivity customers is already well established, whether it's technically permitted by the [ir]relevant RIRs. I fully expect this

Re: Leasing of space via non-connectivity providers (was: Re: And so it ends... )

2011-02-05 Thread Joel Jaeggli
the practice predates ARIN by many years... FWIW... No reason to play coy... (ep.net) --bill

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-05 Thread James P. Ashton
John, It seams that by stating Note that ARIN can't allow transfers contrary to the community-developed policy that you intend to say that ARIN, based on your current policies and processes, will not actively update whois information for legacy block holders that either sub-assign or Transfer

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-05 Thread John Curran
James - ARIN allows legacy holders to update their registration information, in fact, we even allow such via ARIN Online. No agreement is required with ARIN; we provide this service as well as WHOIS and reverse DNS without charge. If you no longer want to use your address space, you

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-05 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 1:24 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:    ARIN allows legacy holders to update their registration information, in fact, we even allow such via ARIN Online.  No agreement is required with ARIN; we provide this service as well as WHOIS and reverse DNS without

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-05 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/5/2011 4:53 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: *Since ARIN policy at the current time requires specified transfers be made through ARIN, and the recipient of address has to meet a utilization criterion. No ad-hoc transfers would seem to be allowed by current ARIN policies, except non-permanent

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-04 Thread David Conrad
Robert, On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: As far as I am aware, the USG contract is with ICANN, not ARIN (see http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/iana/ianacontract_081406.pdf, section C.2.2.1.3). Correct. _They_ can can delegate as they see fit, with no

And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Scott Howard
102/8 AfriNIC2011-02whois.afrinic.net ALLOCATED 103/8 APNIC 2011-02whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED 104/8 ARIN 2011-02whois.arin.netALLOCATED 179/8 LACNIC 2011-02whois.lacnic.net ALLOCATED 185/8 RIPE NCC 2011-02whois.ripe.netALLOCATED

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Wil Schultz
It's been a fun ride, adios good friend. -wil On Feb 3, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Scott Howard wrote: 102/8 AfriNIC2011-02whois.afrinic.net ALLOCATED 103/8 APNIC 2011-02whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED 104/8 ARIN 2011-02whois.arin.netALLOCATED 179/8 LACNIC

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Max Larson Henry
Still a few LEGACY in the status column ;-) -M On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Scott Howard sc...@doc.net.au wrote: 102/8 AfriNIC2011-02whois.afrinic.net ALLOCATED 103/8 APNIC 2011-02whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED 104/8 ARIN 2011-02whois.arin.netALLOCATED

RE: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Alex Rubenstein
And we have yet to see what happens with backend transactions between private institutions that have large blocks laying around, and them realizing that they have a marketable and valuable thing. We may all say it won't happen, we may even say we don't want it to happen, or that it shouldn't be

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jon Lewis
The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to implement a strange new IP version. On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Wil Schultz wrote: It's been a fun ride, adios

RE: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Alex Rubenstein wrote: And we have yet to see what happens with backend transactions between private institutions that have large blocks laying around, and them realizing that they have a marketable and valuable thing. We may all say it won't happen, we may even say we

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Scott Howard wrote: 102/8 AfriNIC2011-02whois.afrinic.net ALLOCATED 103/8 APNIC 2011-02whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED 104/8 ARIN 2011-02whois.arin.netALLOCATED 179/8 LACNIC 2011-02whois.lacnic.net ALLOCATED 185/8

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to implement a strange new IP version. Supposedly[*] transfers

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Alex Rubenstein a...@corp.nac.net wrote: And we have yet to see what happens with backend transactions between private institutions that have large blocks laying around, and them realizing that they have a marketable and valuable thing. We may all say it won't

RE: And so it ends (slightly off topic)

2011-02-03 Thread Ronald Bonica
Folks, Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka The Big Bopper) died in a plane crash. Don McLean immortalized that day as The Day The Music Died in his 1971 hit, American Pie.

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to implement a

Re: And so it ends... NOT

2011-02-03 Thread bmanning
For all you folks mourning the demise of IPv4, could you PLEASE transfer those old, used, not useful to you anymore IPv4 blocks to me ... PLEASE? Pretty Please? just saying. --bill

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: That's what the RIR might say. But without legal authority (e.g. under contract, as a regulator, or through statutory authority) it is difficult or impossible to enforce. Transfers are permitted in the ARIN region per the community

Re: And so it ends (slightly off topic)

2011-02-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Ronald Bonica wrote: Folks, Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka The Big Bopper) died in a plane crash. Don McLean immortalized that day as The Day The Music

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:39 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: That's what the RIR might say. But without legal authority (e.g. under contract, as a regulator, or through statutory authority) it is difficult or impossible to enforce. Transfers are

Re: And so it ends (slightly off topic)

2011-02-03 Thread Alexandre Snarskii
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:04:29AM -0500, Ronald Bonica wrote: Folks, Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka The Big Bopper) died in a plane crash. Don McLean immortalized that day as The

Leasing of space via non-connectivity providers (was: Re: And so it ends... )

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: My point being, the leasing of IP space to non-connectivity customers is already well established, whether it's technically permitted by the [ir]relevant RIRs. I fully expect this to continue and spread. Eventually, holders of large legacy

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: Such transfers should be reported when noticed, so the resources can be reclaimed and reissued. Is any RIR authorized, in a legal sense, to reclaim legacy address blocks that RIR didn't issue? Without that legal authority, is any RIR

Re: And so it ends (slightly off topic)

2011-02-03 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Ronald Bonica rbon...@juniper.net wrote: Folks, Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka The Big Bopper) died in a plane crash. Don McLean immortalized that day as

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:57 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: Such transfers should be reported when noticed, so the resources can be reclaimed and reissued. Is any RIR authorized, in a legal sense, to reclaim legacy address blocks that RIR didn't

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:57 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: Such transfers should be reported when noticed, so the resources can be reclaimed and reissued. Is any RIR authorized, in a legal

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
OK so the argument is the 'community' is ARIN's source of legal power or is the corporate laws of the State of Virginia? On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:57 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: Such transfers should be reported when noticed, so the resources can

Re: And so it ends (slightly off topic)

2011-02-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 07:48:45PM +0300, Alexandre Snarskii wrote: On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:04:29AM -0500, Ronald Bonica wrote: Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka

Re: Leasing of space via non-connectivity providers (was: Re: And so it ends... )

2011-02-03 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: My point being, the leasing of IP space to non-connectivity customers is already well established, whether it's technically permitted by the [ir]relevant RIRs. I fully expect this to continue and spread.

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Ernie Rubi wrote: OK so the argument is the 'community' is ARIN's source of legal power or is the corporate laws of the State of Virginia? Mr. Rubi - ARIN operates the ARIN WHOIS database as part of the mission of organization in serving the community, and

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Kevin Stange
On 02/03/2011 11:41 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: I'm not inclined to believe that ARIN members will collectively agree on anything significant, so the policy process is a lot like U.S. government (not a lot getting done). ARIN members don't make binding votes on individual policy actions, they

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
I think it's OK to say you cannot/would rather not answer the question, instead of giving a non-answer. I was trying to follow along with your 'the community acquiescence gives us the legal right to take back legacy IP addresses' argument. Cheers, Ernie On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:58 PM, John

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:39 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: That's what the RIR might say. But without legal authority (e.g. under contract, as a regulator, or through statutory authority) it

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Dan White
On 03/02/11 10:38 -0500, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Alex Rubenstein a...@corp.nac.net wrote: And we have yet to see what happens with backend transactions between private institutions that have large blocks laying around, and them realizing that they have a marketable

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
Mr. Rubi - I'm sorry if my answer is not clear. If your question was: What is the source of ARIN's legal authority to manage the ARIN WHOIS database? then answer is that the database is managed as part of ARIN's mission, per policies established by the community. If you're

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net Mr. Rubi - I'm sorry if my answer is not clear. If your question was: What is the source of ARIN's legal authority to manage the ARIN WHOIS database? then answer is that the database is managed as part of ARIN's mission,

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Bryan Fields
On 2/3/2011 14:16, John Curran wrote: then answer is that the database is managed as part of ARIN's mission, per policies established by the community. If you're trying to ask a different question, I'm more than happy to answer, but I'd ask that you be more explicit. On Feb 3, 2011, at

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
That's the question, and it seemed that the answer started to be formulated in terms of 'community acquiescence/policy leads to authority' in a previous email, so I wanted to make sure that was in fact the response to the question, at least in part. ARIN will likely argue that 'this was done

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I strongly suspect that his question is actually Does ARIN have any enforceable legal authority to compel an entity to cease using a specific block of address space, absent a contract? ARIN has the authority to manage its database, and does so

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I strongly suspect that his question is actually Does ARIN have any enforceable legal authority to compel an entity to cease using a specific block of address space, absent a

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I strongly suspect that his question is actually Does ARIN have any enforceable legal authority to compel an entity to cease using

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: To be clear, that's not ARIN legally compelling an entity to cease using a specific block of address space We've never claimed that authority, and I'm not aware of any entity that

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I strongly suspect that his question is actually Does ARIN have any enforceable legal authority to compel an

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Scott Helms
My 2 cents, in the few cases that we've been involved with that dealt with reclaiming space the backbone providers have universally followed what is in the ARIN database. If you need a block routed they generally will not take action until the SWIP is complete and the same is true when

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: John Curran jcur...@arin.net On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: To be clear, that's not ARIN legally compelling an entity to cease using a specific block of address space

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread David Conrad
On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: That remains to be seen. If they give up their space, it is unclear that they have any right to transfer it to another organization rather than return it to the successor registry. There is no precedent established showing that this is allowed.

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
Um, I think that's what ARIN means when they say changing the registrant on a block from Entity A to Entity B means. That's effectively 'reclaiming'. As I understand it, I think they also contend that the 'community' could say to ARIN 'take back X legacy block' and that ARIN would have no

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Ernie Rubi erne...@cs.fiu.edu wrote: Um, I think that's what ARIN means when they say changing the registrant on a block from Entity A to Entity B means.  That's effectively 'reclaiming'. As I understand it, I think they also contend that the 'community' could

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Scott Helms khe...@ispalliance.net My 2 cents, in the few cases that we've been involved with that dealt with reclaiming space the backbone providers have universally followed what is in the ARIN database. If you need a block routed they generally will not

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread david raistrick
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Scott Helms wrote: My 2 cents, in the few cases that we've been involved with that dealt with reclaiming space the backbone providers have universally followed what is in If that legacy block holder were, well, one of the legacy block holders, would you as a backbone

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
I don't think that's ARIN's position (someone correct me if I'm wrong), especially if you mean to say they having the same 'rights' as RIRs to transfer/assign/lease/delegate/port those IP numbers. Using the numbers you have is another thing entirely. On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Jeffrey Lyon

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Scott Helms
David, That certainly could have an impact, since I imagine that corporations that large are purchasing nice big (expensive) connections. Having said that the cases I am familiar with were all dealt with at the technical level and a business rep wasn't involved. The BGP teams at the

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Ernie Rubi
Way off topic here...and into the legal arena: As to the monopoly classification, do you think, at least with ARIN (since it is a US/Virginia corporation) that Sherman Act §2 (i.e. antitrust) principles could be applied to require that it relinquish some of the control over said IP

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Scott Helms
Jay, We were talking about the legacy disbursements here at the office much of the day. It would certainly be *nice* if some of the folks who were granted a class A back in the day would throw the unused parts back in the community bin. I don't think its a good idea to try and force

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: Pragmatically, compelling the release of a legacy allocation to a major company could be difficult, however, if the ARIN community were to draft a resolution to reclaim the space it may have a profound effect on

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Brandon Butterworth
But are they going to go up against someone big? Do Lilly, DuPont and Merck need /8? HP need a /7? You decide. Make a policy proposal, if enough agree the database changes and is reflected in many ISP networks. we route therefore you are I imagine (ianal) they would have to sue every ISP

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:39:25 PST, George Herbert said: It's probably most practical for them to renumber into a subset of their existing space, collapsing down from the whole /8 into a /10 or something longer, which would free up 75% of that space or more. And they want to go to the trouble

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:52 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:39:25 PST, George Herbert said: It's probably most practical for them to renumber into a subset of their existing space, collapsing down from the whole /8 into a /10 or something longer, which would free up

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, David Conrad wrote: Second, neither ICANN nor the USG has (to my knowledge) declared the RIRs to be successor registries (whatever they are). David - ARIN succeeded Network Solutions in 1997 in the performance of IP number assignment, Autonomous System number

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Robert Bonomi
Subject: Re: And so it ends... From: Ernie Rubi erne...@cs.fiu.edu Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:08:50 -0500 To: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Cc: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Way off topic here...and into the legal arena: As to the monopoly classification, do you think, at least with ARIN

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kevin Stange wrote: On 02/03/2011 11:41 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: I'm not inclined to believe that ARIN members will collectively agree on anything significant, so the policy process is a lot like U.S. government (not a lot getting done). ARIN members don't make

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Abssolutely *NOT*. their unique status derives from the actions of a contractor faithfully executing it's duties on the behalf of the U.S. Gov't. 'Antitrust' does not apply to the Gov't, nor to those acting on its behalf, nor to anyone

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:29 PM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, David Conrad wrote: Second, neither ICANN nor the USG has (to my knowledge) declared the RIRs to be successor registries (whatever they are). David - ARIN succeeded Network Solutions in 1997 in the performance

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread John Curran
On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Abssolutely *NOT*. their unique status derives from the actions of a contractor faithfully executing it's duties on the behalf of the U.S. Gov't. 'Antitrust' does not apply to the Gov't, nor to those acting on its behalf, nor to anyone

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, John Curran wrote: To be clear, that's not ARIN legally compelling an entity to cease using a specific block of address space We've never claimed that authority, and I'm not aware of any entity that does claim such authority to compel organizations to make

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Ernie Rubi erne...@cs.fiu.edu wrote: Um, I think that's what ARIN means when they say changing the registrant on a block from Entity A to Entity B means. That's effectively 'reclaiming'. As I understand it,

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread David Conrad
Robert, On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Abssolutely *NOT*. their unique status derives from the actions of a contractor faithfully executing it's duties on the behalf of the U.S. Gov't. 'Antitrust' does not apply to the Gov't, nor to those acting on its behalf, nor to

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
If you want to follow it up there's a pretty interesting thread ongoing in the ripe anti abuse working group All of the traffic from 2011 (only a few posts) .. http://ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2011/ Start with this note here -

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Robert Bonomi
Subject: Re: And so it ends... From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 15:42:01 -1000 Cc: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Robert, On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Abssolutely *NOT*. their unique status

Re: And so it ends...

2011-02-03 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I strongly suspect that his question is actually Does ARIN have any enforceable legal authority to compel an entity to cease using a specific block of address space, absent a contract? ARIN has about as much to do with