Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Rob McEwen
On 1/11/2019 2:50 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: On 01/11/2019 12:32 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: but if done right, fwiw,, wouldn't that be sent over SMTP using TLS encryption? Oy vey.  in-flight vs at-rest encryption.  which is why i said "fwiw", acknowledging upfront that TLS transmission e

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread cosmo
Whaddya expect guys, the mailing list is hosted on an embedded DVR recorder On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > 11 Jan. 2019 г., 23:19 Mark Andrews : > >> So STARTTLS strip is not a problem anymore? > >> > > If you deploy DANE (client and server > > sides) then stripping

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
11 Jan. 2019 г., 23:19 Mark Andrews : >> So STARTTLS strip is not a problem anymore? > > If you deploy DANE (client and server > sides) then stripping STARTTLS is > ineffective for the target domain. If you defer to send (and finally bounce) everything targeted at a domain that fails TLSA lookup,

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 12 Jan 2019, at 6:36 am, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > 11 Jan. 2019 г., 22:33 Rob McEwen : > > but if done right, fwiw,, wouldn't that > > be sent over SMTP using TLS encryption > > So STARTTLS strip is not a problem anymore? If you deploy DANE (client and server sides) then stripping ST

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

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Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 1/11/19 12:11 PM, Andreas Ott wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:17:09PM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 08:23:31AM -0800, Yang Yu wrote: * no HTTPS HTTPS isn't needed for this application. I'll probably add it anyway when I have a chance, but there are other thin

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 01/11/2019 12:32 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: but if done right, fwiw,, wouldn't that be sent over SMTP using TLS encryption? Oy vey. in-flight vs at-rest encryption. (but, then again, that ALSO requires a certificate!) Let's Encrypt works perfectly fine for that too. }:-) -- Grant. . .

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
11 Jan. 2019 г., 22:33 Rob McEwen : > but if done right, fwiw,, wouldn't that > be sent over SMTP using TLS encryption So STARTTLS strip is not a problem anymore? -- Töma

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Rob McEwen
On 1/11/2019 1:11 PM, Andreas Ott wrote: Admittedly, mailman does send you the password in clear text over SMTP if you ask for it  but if done right, fwiw,, wouldn't that be sent over SMTP using TLS encryption? (but, then again, that ALSO requires a certificate!) -- Rob McEwen, invaluement

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Andreas Ott
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:17:09PM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 08:23:31AM -0800, Yang Yu wrote: > > * no HTTPS > > HTTPS isn't needed for this application. I'll probably add it anyway > when I have a chance, but there are other things ahead of it. I respectfully disag

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Thank you! Forwarded that to the RIPE IoT WG. 10 Jan. 2019 г., 19:23 Rich Kulawiec : > The "dumpsterfire" mailing list is for the discussion of security and > privacy issues related to the IoT (Internet of Things). Arguably, > the entire IoT *is* a security and privacy issue, but we'll get to th

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:57:02AM -0600, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > Unfortunately I don???t see this as having very much connectivity where I am > at. It's not the best-connected or most powerful server, however it's been running a bunch of public/private mailing lists for many years and f

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 08:23:31AM -0800, Yang Yu wrote: > * no HTTPS HTTPS isn't needed for this application. I'll probably add it anyway when I have a chance, but there are other things ahead of it. > * archive is returning HTTP 403 That is exactly what you should expect to see when a Mai

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Brian Kantor
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:30:57AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: > No HTTPS?!?! Where are the tar and feathers??!?!! > > This isn't something that needs HTTPS. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions True, but our browser overlords would condemn it because they seem to believe

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Mike Hammett
Cc: "NANOG list" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:23:31 AM Subject: Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > The "dumpsterfire" mailing list is for the di

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Ross Tajvar
A dumpster fire, indeed. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 11:26 AM Yang Yu On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > > > The "dumpsterfire" mailing list is for the discussion of security and > > privacy issues related to the IoT (Internet of Things). Arguably, > > the entire IoT *is* a secu

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-11 Thread Yang Yu
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > The "dumpsterfire" mailing list is for the discussion of security and > privacy issues related to the IoT (Internet of Things). Arguably, > the entire IoT *is* a security and privacy issue, but we'll get to that > in good time. > > If you w

Re: Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-10 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
Unfortunately I don’t see this as having very much connectivity where I am at. host firemountain.net firemountain.net has address 207.114.3.55 firemountain.net mail is handled by 10 taos.firemountain.net. firemountain.net mail is handled by 20 ukiah.firemountain.net. host www.firemountain.net www

Announcing: "dumpsterfire", the mailing list for IoT security/privacy issues

2019-01-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
The "dumpsterfire" mailing list is for the discussion of security and privacy issues related to the IoT (Internet of Things). Arguably, the entire IoT *is* a security and privacy issue, but we'll get to that in good time. If you want to join, you can either use the list's web page: http