Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Justin Shore
Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Arie Vayner
- From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:42 PM To: nanog list Subject: BGP Growth projections I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10 jul 2009, at 19:03, Joel Jaeggli wrote: IPv6 is going to explode the routing table in the next 5 years. More like, ipv4 is going explode the routing table in the next 5 years? IPv6 is now at something like 1.2 - 1.4 prefixes per AS. So it will take a LONG time before we reach 100k

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-12-06:09:12, Arie Vayner arievay...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you are a major transit operator (which beats the small ISP requirement), you don't really need a full view, and can do we a limited view with a default route. Disagree. Protection against big-provider depeerings,

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Arie Vayner wrote: I would second Ivan's comment. Unless you are a major transit operator (which beats the small ISP requirement), you don't really need a full view, and can do we a limited view with a default route. Until something breaks or the next big depeering

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: Let me be the devil's advocate: why would you need full Internet routing? Taking reasonably sized neighborhoods of your upstreams (AS paths up to X AS numbers) plus a default to your best upstream might do the trick. Ivan We currently do exactly that - dropping

RE: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-11 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
/ -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:42 PM To: nanog list Subject: BGP Growth projections I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-11 Thread Randy Bush
IPv6 is going to explode the routing table in the next 5 years. More like, ipv4 is going explode the routing table in the next 5 years? more like the routing table will continue to grow, mostly proportional to growth in multi-homed sites and richer inter-provider topology. randy

BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3 become legacy?). Lot's

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-10-12:42:24, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: [...] What projections are you using regarding the default free zone over the next 5 years when picking new hardware? Geoff Huston, et al provide some useful trending: http://bgp.potaroo.net/index-bgp.html With that said, I've