Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
ssage - From: "Joe Abley" To: "Steve Naslund" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:40:59 PM Subject: Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover On 2 Nov 2017, at 09:25, Naslund, Steve wrote: > There are four facts to b

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Nov 2017, at 09:25, Naslund, Steve wrote: > There are four facts to be aware of here. > > 1. Locators are not 100% especially when it comes to fiber. I remember years ago in New Zealand there was buried fibre along the railway running north-south in the North Island that was not generall

RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Naslund, Steve
>From: "Clayton Zekelman" >To: "Jean-Francois Mezei" , "Jacques Latour" >, nanog@nanog.org >Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:51:02 PM >Subject: Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover > > > >The fibre

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Clayton Zekelman" To: "Jean-Francois Mezei" , "Jacques Latour" , nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:51:02 PM Subject: Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Res

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-01 Thread Clayton Zekelman
The fibre optic cables are buried within the RoW, not on private property. It is against the law to dig without having utilities located first. At 05:23 PM 01/11/2017, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: But along rural roads like the 17, municipalities often are in charge of a strech of highway, an

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-01 Thread Scott Weeks
--- jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca wrote: From: Jean-Francois Mezei It isn't clear to me what happens to fibre when a railway abandons and removes tracks. That's an interesting question. Anyone have experience with that? scott

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-01 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2017-11-01 03:16, Jacques Latour wrote: > JF, c¹est bon ça! > > This is good point JF, according to > http://www.acwr.com/economic-development/rail-maps/canadian-national we > seem to have a single rail on top of Lac Superior. Both CN and CP (still) have their own tracks. CP along shore of Lak

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-01 Thread Jacques Latour
JF, c¹est bon ça! This is good point JF, according to http://www.acwr.com/economic-development/rail-maps/canadian-national we seem to have a single rail on top of Lac Superior. Other than that, it¹s diverse. Is there diverse train routes and associated fibre routes? Which provider follow CP and CN

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-22 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Tom Beecher writes: > "But if provider 1 has its 1 fibre on the CN line and provider 2 has its > 1 fibre along CP line (or road), then you can get diversity by getting > bandwidth from both." > > That's not diversity. That's just a matter of time before the same backhoe > catches t

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-20 Thread Tom Beecher
"But if provider 1 has its 1 fibre on the CN line and provider 2 has its 1 fibre along CP line (or road), then you can get diversity by getting bandwidth from both." That's not diversity. That's just a matter of time before the same backhoe catches them both. :) On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:00 PM, J

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-17 Thread Alyssa Moore
day's Topics: > >1. Seznam serveru (Lumir Srchlm) >2. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Marshall, Quincy) >3. Re: Temp at Level 3 data centers (Matthew Pounsett) > 4. TSYS Contact (Dan White) >5. RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-14 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:00:04 -0400, Jean-Francois Mezei said: > Note: road has interesting side effects. A new bridge on highway 17 > "broke" when it got too cold: the stay cables on suspension bridge > contracted and ended up lifting bridge deck by about 1m above ground > level. So any fibre cond

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-13 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2017-10-13 17:20, Clinton Work wrote: > > My understanding is that nobody has a 2nd diverse fiber route north of > the great lakes from Winnipeg to Toronto. Every provider makes use of > a fiber route south of the great lakes thru the US in order to provide > diversity. But if provider 1 has

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-13 Thread Clinton Work
My understanding is that nobody has a 2nd diverse fiber route north of the great lakes from Winnipeg to Toronto. Every provider makes use of a fiber route south of the great lakes thru the US in order to provide diversity. The following map shows that the CN rail and CP Rail lines across ove

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-13 Thread Eric Kuhnke
On a somewhat related note, if anyone has KMZs of the railway-based ROWs from Calgary-Vancouver (Fraser Valley area) and is able to share them, please contact me off list. I'm hoping to avoid re-inventing the wheel and time/labor of manually creating vector lines along the known railway corridors,

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-13 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
Answer from Allstream (aka Zayo) A combination: Tor-Ott-Mtl N route is CP & S route is CN. From Tor-Wpg its mostly CN on the N route and the S goes thru various US routes. So Allstream would get you out west via the more northern CN line from Toronto. So you would need to find someone who has

RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-12 Thread Jacques Latour
> Since the Trans Canada highway in that part of Ontario is actually a 2 lane > rural road, I am not sure people would have laid fibre along it knowing the > progressive work to widen it might require frequent relocation of the fibre. That's a good point, what about along the Trans-Canadian pi

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-11 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
BTW, a web site showing list of registered cellular towers in Canada: http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/cancellsites.html In areas where the 17 or 11 stray from railroad, you could cobine that map with Street View to try to spot towers to see if they are on microwave or not. If I were to cycle

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-11 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2017-10-11 11:40, Jacques Latour wrote: > Does anyone know if there's fibre resiliency between Calgary and Toronto over > the Great lakes, I thinking redundancy could be achieved by using two paths > one following the railroad and the other following the Trans-Canadian > highway. Does anyone

Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-10-11 Thread Jacques Latour
Hi, Does anyone know if there's fibre resiliency between Calgary and Toronto over the Great lakes, I thinking redundancy could be achieved by using two paths one following the railroad and the other following the Trans-Canadian highway. Does anyone know if there is fibre following the Trans-Ca