short competition increase regulation, it certainly does not decrease it.
- Original Message -
From: "Mikael Abrahamsson"
To: "Benson Schliesser"
Cc: "nanog"
Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 5:20:04 PM
Subject: Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC
On Thu, 1
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Benson Schliesser wrote:
Further, how does the situation compare to past examples like Europe?
Countries in Europe are all in different phases of competition and
pricing. There is at least 10x difference in transit prices across Europe,
with central and northern Europe b
"Patrick W. Gilmore"
To: "NANOG list"
Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 6:29:02 AM
Subject: Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC
Back to topic of why prices are high in some places (and it is not just Asia),
it is trivial to prove objectively that monopoly power keeps prices
rid
On 12 Aug 10, at 7:26 AM, Dorian Kim wrote:
>> Sadly, I have no first-hand knowledge of these costs. How does in-country
>> transport compare to trans-Pacific transport cost? (i.e. on a per Mbps per
>> kilometer or similar metric) I assume it's cheaper in-country / in-region
>> compared to t
On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:53:18PM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>> On 8/11/10 12:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
>>> Nice to see this change
>>>
>>> APAC has been obliged to pay the cost to peer with the US (long
>>> distance links are expensive)
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 05:41:16PM -0500, Benson Schliesser wrote:
>
> On 11 Aug 10, at 5:15 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>
> >> Obviously I can't speak for the providers in question, but I'd guess
> >> that the cost for transit in AP is strongly related to the cost of
> >> long-haul transport.
> >
>
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:53:18PM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> On 8/11/10 12:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
> > Nice to see this change
> >
> > APAC has been obliged to pay the cost to peer with the US (long
> > distance links are expensive). Now that US wants to peer with Asia,
> > pricing may
Around 40% of our low-end/budget VPS hosting customers are based in APAC. It's
common for departing customers to cite the primary reason as seeking lower
latency to their regions.
Sent while on the go, please excuse terseness.
On Aug 11, 2010, at 17:03, Benson Schliesser wrote:
>
> On 11 Au
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Leigh Porter wrote:
Well, it would be hard to change because who would host in country when it
costs so much to do so. It'd be much cheaper to host out of the country thereby
exasperating the whole problem.
Well some of us have no choice. We provide hosted video conferen
On 11 Aug 10, at 5:15 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>> Obviously I can't speak for the providers in question, but I'd guess
>> that the cost for transit in AP is strongly related to the cost of
>> long-haul transport.
>
> Start with something that can be effectively isolated from the
> transpacific pa
On 8/11/10 2:03 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:
>
> On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>
>> I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A
>> megabit in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged
>> for for the transport cost across the pacific.
>
> Obviously
ss to the AP market at better cost?
- Original Message -
From: "Benson Schliesser"
To: "Joel Jaeggli" , "Franck Martin" ,
"nanog"
Sent: Thursday, 12 August, 2010 9:03:34 AM
Subject: Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC
On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM
On 11 Aug 2010, at 22:03, Benson Schliesser wrote:
>
> On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>
>> I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A megabit
>> in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged for for the
>> transport cost across the pacific.
>
> Ob
On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A megabit
> in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged for for the
> transport cost across the pacific.
Obviously I can't speak for the providers in question, but I'd guess
e artifical lack of price equilibrium.
>
> > - Original Message - From: "David Ulevitch"
> > To: na...@merit.edu Sent: Thursday, 12 August,
> > 2010 7:00:12 AM Subject: Cost of transit and options in APAC
> >
> > Hi Nanog,
> >
> > As
tifical lack of price equilibrium.
> - Original Message - From: "David Ulevitch"
> To: na...@merit.edu Sent: Thursday, 12 August,
> 2010 7:00:12 AM Subject: Cost of transit and options in APAC
>
> Hi Nanog,
>
> As we extend our reach into Asia, we're find
12 August, 2010 7:00:12 AM
Subject: Cost of transit and options in APAC
Hi Nanog,
As we extend our reach into Asia, we're finding that our typical
carriers (see: upstreams of AS36692) who provide service to us in
North America and Europe are not able to offer us service in Asia
either (1) a
Hi Nanog,
As we extend our reach into Asia, we're finding that our typical
carriers (see: upstreams of AS36692) who provide service to us in
North America and Europe are not able to offer us service in Asia
either (1) at all or (2) at prices remotely resembling our pricing in
NA and EU. For examp
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