Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-30 Thread alvin nanog
hi roland - yup... agreed on most all of your points ... - good referral to prev ddos discussions - i'm just saying .. if one cannot defend and know that their ddos mitigation is working on the low level free script kiddie ddos attacks, they should not worry about

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:38:18 -0700, alvin nanog said: On 07/29/15 at 05:47am, Roland Dobbins wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 5:19, alvin nanog wrote: and all the other ISP's routers along the way that had to transport those gigabyte/terabyte of useless ddos packets No company can provide a

RE: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-29 Thread frnkblk
: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DDOS Simulation On Jul 28, 2015, at 9:05 PM, jim deleskie deles...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone offers to test your DDoS devices across a network that you do not 100% own, you are risking legal issues. If they offer to test

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-29 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 30 Jul 2015, at 2:38, alvin nanog wrote: there is no need to pay people to attack your servers ... Unless you don't have the expertise to do it yourself. Again, I advocate an organic defense capability and an organic testing capability, but there are many organizations which

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-29 Thread alvin nanog
out of jail ( from monopoly game too ) - it's intended as make sure the corp lawyers are involved that is requesting the ddos simulation/testing ( aka pen testing ) - managers/employee/contractors cannot say or sign anything that binds the company to what

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! My machines have 16GB of memory but traffic generator uses about ~1GB of memory for 10GE link. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:36 AM, alvin nanog nano...@mail.ddos-mitigator.net wrote: hi pavel On 07/28/15 at 12:02am, Pavel Odintsov wrote: It's poor man's traffic generator :) that's the

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Pavel Odintsov
, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:21 -0700 Subject: Re: DDOS Simulation To: do...@telecurve.com CC: nanog@nanog.org Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Dovid Bender do...@telecurve.com wrote: Hi All, We are looking into a few different DDOS solutions for a client. We need

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 29 Jul 2015, at 5:19, alvin nanog wrote: as previously noted by others, legit corp will ask you for lots of legal paperwork for their get out of jail card for DDoS'ing your servers and all the other ISP's routers along the way that had to transport those gigabyte/terabyte of useless ddos

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Ryan Pugatch
Hi Dovid, I recommend checking out NimbusDDOS. http://www.nimbusddos.com/ I know that they have done exactly this for several notable customers, and also provide insights into impacts (they don't just blindly run the attacks for you, they provide intelligence behind what's happening to help you

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
Two more options: - http://www.redwolfsecurity.com/#!ddos_testing/cqd6 (not vouching for them, just raising awareness of the options) - Spin up a bunch of VMs at various cloud providers and launch your own attacks against yourself. Note that you should only do this with the permission of the

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Brett Watson
On Jul 28, 2015, at 9:05 PM, jim deleskie deles...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone offers to test your DDoS devices across a network that you do not 100% own, you are risking legal issues. If they offer to test it across your own network, make sure you have in writing from you upper

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread jim deleskie
If anyone offers to test your DDoS devices across a network that you do not 100% own, you are risking legal issues. If they offer to test it across your own network, make sure you have in writing from you upper management that they understand the risk and approve it. If you choose to do it

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread alvin nanog
hi dovid On 07/28/15 at 02:31pm, Dovid Bender wrote: We are looking for a company that can launch a DDOS attack against the solutions we are testing. I don't want a proof of concept from the company that will be offering DDOS protection since they can simulate an easy attack and then

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Dovid Bender
before buying the product From: dro...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:21 -0700 Subject: Re: DDOS Simulation To: do...@telecurve.com CC: nanog@nanog.org Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Dovid Bender do...@telecurve.com wrote: Hi All

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-28 Thread Paul S.
the product From: dro...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:21 -0700 Subject: Re: DDOS Simulation To: do...@telecurve.com CC: nanog@nanog.org Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Dovid Bender do...@telecurve.com wrote: Hi All, We are looking into a few different DDOS

DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi All, We are looking into a few different DDOS solutions for a client. We need a LEGITIMATE company that can simulate some DDOS attacks (the generic + specific to the clients business). Anyone have any recommendations? Regards, Dovid

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Daniel Rohan
Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Dovid Bender do...@telecurve.com wrote: Hi All, We are looking into a few different DDOS solutions for a client. We need a LEGITIMATE company that can simulate some DDOS attacks (the generic + specific to the clients

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! It's poor man's traffic generator :) My test lab is i7 2600 with 2 port Intel X520 10GE and Intel Xeon E5 2604 witj 2 port Intel X520 10GE. On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:59 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:32:56 +0300, Pavel Odintsov said: I would like to

RE: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread lobna gouda
: DDOS Simulation To: do...@telecurve.com CC: nanog@nanog.org Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Dovid Bender do...@telecurve.com wrote: Hi All, We are looking into a few different DDOS solutions for a client. We need a LEGITIMATE company that can

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread alvin nanog
hi dovid On 07/27/15 at 11:32am, Dovid Bender wrote: We are looking into a few different DDOS solutions for a client. We need a LEGITIMATE company that can simulate some DDOS attacks (the generic + specific to the clients business). Anyone have any recommendations? i've compiled a fairly

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:32:56 +0300, Pavel Odintsov said: I would like to recommend MoonGen for generating very high speed attacks (I have generated up to 56 mpps/40GE with it). OK, I'll bite - what hardware were you using to inject that many packets? pgpj7W2wD3nVq.pgp Description: PGP

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread alvin nanog
hi pavel On 07/28/15 at 12:02am, Pavel Odintsov wrote: It's poor man's traffic generator :) that's the best kind :-) as long as it gets the job done and you get to control what it does My test lab is i7 2600 with 2 port Intel X520 10GE and Intel Xeon E5 2604 witj 2 port Intel X520 10GE.

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! I would like to recommend MoonGen for generating very high speed attacks (I have generated up to 56 mpps/40GE with it). There are another open project: quezstresser.com On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:25 PM, alvin nanog nano...@mail.ddos-mitigator.net wrote: hi dovid On 07/27/15 at

Re: DDOS Simulation

2015-07-27 Thread Ammar Zuberi
a solution for you. Some companies perform an attack simulation for you before buying the product From: dro...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:21 -0700 Subject: Re: DDOS Simulation To: do...@telecurve.com CC: nanog@nanog.org Looking for similar here. -Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2015