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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 06:37:36PM +0100, Rod Beck wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I never said that protected LAN PHY 10 GigE was more expensive than > two diversely routed waves. Strange, the e-mail from you that I quoted specifically said: > Bottom line is that it will cost more than two diversely

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Hi Martin, That statement is true in the long run. But not the short run. No would argue that current TransAtlantic pricing could justify a new cable system. :) If you look at the last three TransAtlantic builds, they spanned from $600 million to $980 million. No backhaul included. Current

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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Rod Beck wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I never said that protected LAN PHY 10 GigE was more expensive than two > diversely routed waves. However, Hibernia's engineers have advised that > route protected LAN PHY 10 GigE will tolerate a relatively high BER before > switch

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Hi Richard, I never said that protected LAN PHY 10 GigE was more expensive than two diversely routed waves. However, Hibernia's engineers have advised that route protected LAN PHY 10 GigE will tolerate a relatively high BER before switching. I stand by that statement. I said that protected S

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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 01:38:43PM +0100, Rod Beck wrote: > There is no known way to provide cheap 10 wave protection. Not carrier > grade. Protected 10 GigE service (LAN PHY 10 GigE) will tolerate a > very high BER before switching. And the cost of switching STM64 is > very high as well. > > Bot

RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area

o.uk] Sent: Wed 4/15/2009 4:00 PM To: Rod Beck Cc: joel.merc...@verizon.net; Wallace Keith; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area Rod Beck wrote: > And if the 10 gig wave is from 1 Wilshire to 60 Hudson with hundreds of regen > huts and 30 POPs in between? >

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Rod Beck wrote: And if the 10 gig wave is from 1 Wilshire to 60 Hudson with hundreds of regen huts and 30 POPs in between? How that affect the capex cost? Sure, the capex cost of offering full diversity is substantial; my point was just that the cost of switching STM64 signals at the endpi

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And if the 10 gig wave is from 1 Wilshire to 60 Hudson with hundreds of regen huts and 30 POPs in between? How that affect the capex cost? Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 13-15, rue Sedaine, 75011 Paris http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. Fre

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M To: Rod Beck; joel.merc...@verizon.net; Wallace Keith; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area That's funny, because our company is a (very small) LEC and a member of a (small) regional network, and we've been asked by a larger consortium to give them protec

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Rod Beck wrote: That service is probably very expensive. There is no known way to provide cheap 10 wave protection. Not carrier grade. Protected 10 GigE service (LAN PHY 10 GigE) will tolerate a very high BER before switching. And the cost of switching STM64 is very high as well. Bottom line

RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area

riginal Message- From: Rod Beck [mailto:rod.b...@hiberniaatlantic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:39 AM To: joel.merc...@verizon.net; Wallace Keith; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area That service is probably very expensive. There is no known way to provid

RE: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

That service is probably very expensive. There is no known way to provide cheap 10 wave protection. Not carrier grade. Protected 10 GigE service (LAN PHY 10 GigE) will tolerate a very high BER before switching. And the cost of switching STM64 is very high as well. Bottom line is that it will

RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area

: Wallace Keith [mailto:kwall...@pcconnection.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:06 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area -Original Message- From: Roy [mailto:r.engehau...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:43 PM To: Gino Villarini Cc: nanog@nanog.

Re: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area

ginal Message-- From: Wallace Keith To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area Sent: Apr 14, 2009 7:06 PM -Original Message- From: Roy [mailto:r.engehau...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:43 PM To: Gino Villarini Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fibe

Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area

-Original Message- From: Roy [mailto:r.engehau...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:43 PM To: Gino Villarini Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area Gino Villarini wrote: > Here in my area most of business outfits that require maximum > availability of Internet or