Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-04 Thread Jack Kohn
Tom, It seems NIST recommends ESP over AH. You can look at the following 2 emails from Manav and Sriram on the IPsecME WG: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipsec/current/msg07403.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipsec/current/msg07407.html Jack On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:57 AM, TR

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-02 Thread TR Shaw
As far as real world examples, I know of none that use AH only. All the operational uses I have seen in use are tunnels. I would guess that if there are any it would be because some minimally technical COI rep thought that by using it it would provide some minimalist support of their

Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread John Smith
Hi, I am trying to see if there are people who use AH specially since RFC 4301 has a MAY for AH and a MUST for ESP-NULL. While operators may not care about a MAY or a MUST in an RFC, but the IETF protocols and vendors do. So all protocols that require IPsec for authentication implicitly have a

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread TR Shaw
On Jan 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Hi, I am trying to see if there are people who use AH specially since RFC 4301 has a MAY for AH and a MUST for ESP-NULL. While operators may not care about a MAY or a MUST in an RFC, but the IETF protocols and vendors do. So all protocols

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Glen Kent
(Sigh) Here we go again. AH is a liability and a baggage that we're carrying over our weary shoulders. IMO we should have gotten rid of it long time back. There have been enough emails on multiple forums over this and google is probably your friend here. The only reason(s) we have AH is because

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread John Smith
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 5:57 Subject: Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)? On Jan 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Hi, I am trying to see if there are people who use AH specially since RFC 4301 has a MAY for AH and a MUST for ESP-NULL. While operators may

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread David Barak
It can be used to prevent NAT on an intermediate path, which can be useful under certain circumstances. I have seen it in the wild, both in Internet and private networking contexts. David Barak

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Chuck Anderson
I'm using AH for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 authentication. For OSPFv3, there is no other option than some kind of IPsec for authentication. I'm also using it for OSPFv2 so I don't have to maintain multiple authentication methods and keys for the different protocols.

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Glen Kent
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: I'm using AH for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 authentication.  For OSPFv3, there is no other option than some kind of IPsec for authentication.  I'm also using it for OSPFv2 so I don't have to maintain multiple authentication methods and

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread TR Shaw
: Monday, 2 January 2012, 5:57 Subject: Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)? On Jan 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Hi, I am trying to see if there are people who use AH specially since RFC 4301 has a MAY for AH and a MUST for ESP-NULL. While operators may

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 1, 2012, at 8:34 PM, TR Shaw wrote: John, Unlike AH, ESP in transport mode does not provide integrity and authentication for the entire IP packet. However, in Tunnel Mode, where the entire original IP packet is encapsulated with a new packet header added, ESP protection is

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Jack Kohn
The __exact__ same discussion happening on IPsecME WG right now. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipsec/current/msg07346.html It seems there is yet another effort being made to retire AH so that we have less # of options to deal with. This time there is some support for it .. Jack On Mon,

Re: Does anybody out there use Authentication Header (AH)?

2012-01-01 Thread Steven Bellovin
Yes, I know; I'm on that list. John Smith decided to see if reality matched theory -- always a good thing to do -- and asked here. Btw, it's not just this time there is some support for it; AH was downgraded to MAY in RFC 4301 in 2005. On Jan 1, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Jack Kohn wrote: The