Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more: You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited. Limited Like: 512Kb-4GB-3Month 1024Kb-4GB-3Month 2048Kb-6GB-3Month 4096Kb-8GB-3Month Unlimited Like:

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more: You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited. Limited Like:

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Dan White
On 08/23/12 10:51 +0430, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote: Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more: You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited. Limited Like: 512Kb-4GB-3Month 1024Kb-4GB-3Month

RE: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Frank Bulk
: Fair Use Policy A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying Google can afford to start almost any project they want we should say Google doesn't suffer

Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
Hello Everybody, Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and radius? Thanks -- Regards, Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
in other areas, or something else? Owen On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
of the term as applies to IP in other areas, or something else? Owen On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do this in the BRAS

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
engine. -Original Message- From: Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:36:40 To: Owen DeLongo...@delong.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fair Use Policy What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can change users shape time-base

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and radius? Thanks -- Regards, Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742 PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
of the term, the legal sense of the term as applies to IP in other areas, or something else? Owen On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Bacon Zombie
, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for my xdsl customers?! Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and radius? Thanks -- Regards

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Sean Harlow
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote: An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate. I agree entirely. The US is not exactly known for great broadband access, particularly where I live in the

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:17:14 -0400, Sean Harlow said: Wired internet providers should not even be thinking about caps below the 250 GB/mo point. Neither of these example speeds can even reach that level, so if you feel the need to cap you are doing it wrong and should rethink your business

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sean Harlow s...@seanharlow.info wrote: On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote: An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate. I agree entirely. The US is not

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Owen DeLong
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a certain amount (that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed thereafter. (At least that's what their marketing

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a certain amount (that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Sean Harlow
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:35, Owen DeLong wrote: Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a certain amount (that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed thereafter. The new plans being brought out are supposedly true unlimited, but

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:45 , Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote: I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo. An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate. I don't believe $5 even covers an ISP's typical cost

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Benjamin Krueger
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably. http://fiber.google.com/ http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-means-for-u-s-broadband/ On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger benja...@seattlefenix.net wrote: Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably. Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of bandwidth, with their

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:41 , Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote: I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo. An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total {including line rental} a month should not be allow

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote: I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo. An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total {including line rental} a month should not be

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Joe Greco
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of bandwidth, ... kind of like all the other major incumbents like att, Comcast, and all those. Of course, the difference is that att, Comcast, etc., all have

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Benjamin Krueger
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying Google can afford to start almost any project they want we should say Google doesn't suffer the

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Owen DeLong
I just wish that someone...Google or ANYONE else would do something like Google Fiber in the technological wasteland where I live instead of focusing only on hotbeds of high-speed internet and well-connected customers like Kansas City, parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc. Here in my

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Sean Harlow
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote: Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company, etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty broken. The difference is that gas, water, and electricity are all resources that have actual costs relevant

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 391af4eb-239d-4982-8682-643253440...@seanharlow.info, Sean Harlow writes: On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote: Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company, etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty broken. The

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-22 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Sean Harlow wrote: As far as I can tell, the actual cost of the bits being transferred is so minuscule as to be practically irrelevant for anyone who's not at the scale to be dealing directly with Tier 1 carriers. Capacity costs money, but once it's there utilization is