RE: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-04-11 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Thursday, 11 April, 2019 08:08, Patrick McEvilly wrote: >I'm working with Level3 on a similar problem. They filter both UDP >and TCP port 1900 on our peer to them. This is blocking all >connections that randomly use ephemeral tcp port 1900. >They are refusing to remove the tcp port 1900

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-04-11 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:08, Patrick McEvilly wrote: >> They are refusing to remove the tcp port 1900 filter without dispensation from the DDoS security gods. I understand blocking UDP 1900, what is the purpose of Level3 filtering tc

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-04-11 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:15 AM Patrick McEvilly < patrick_mcevi...@harvard.edu> wrote: > I'm working with Level3 on a similar problem. They filter both UDP and TCP port 1900 on our peer to them. This is blocking all connections that randomly use ephemeral tcp port 1900. > > They are refusing to

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-04-11 Thread Barry Raveendran Greene
> On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:08, Patrick McEvilly > wrote: > They are refusing to remove the tcp port 1900 filter without dispensation > from the DDoS security gods. I understand blocking UDP 1900, what is the > purpose of Level3 filtering tcp port 1900? Filtering Exploitable Ports and Minimi

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-04-11 Thread Patrick McEvilly
I'm working with Level3 on a similar problem. They filter both UDP and TCP port 1900 on our peer to them. This is blocking all connections that randomly use ephemeral tcp port 1900. They are refusing to remove the tcp port 1900 filter without dispensation from the DDoS security gods. I un

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Beecher
"It seems your position is 'i don't know how ACL works on my platforms and i don't trust myself to write ACL, so i should not do them'," That is not my position at all, but thanks. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey Tom, > > > If your edge ingress ACLs are not 100% in sy

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Tom, > If your edge ingress ACLs are not 100% in sync all the time, you will > inevitably have Really Weird Stuff happen that will end up taking forever to > diagnose. You may at some cases have hard to troubleshoot issues, which is true for everything, even when perfectly configured, becau

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, Bryan Holloway wrote: And we are careful to ensure that any updates are pushed to all edge ingresses. BGP-edge filters don't help with customer-to-customer packets within the same ISP BGP autonomous area. So you would need CPE customer-edge filters anyway. A small ISP mig

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 3/25/19 9:08 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: If your edge ingress ACLs are not 100% in sync all the time, you will inevitably have Really Weird Stuff happen that will end up taking forever to diagnose. You will eventually end up closing off a port that something else needs to work properly, and now

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Beecher
If your edge ingress ACLs are not 100% in sync all the time, you will inevitably have Really Weird Stuff happen that will end up taking forever to diagnose. You will eventually end up closing off a port that something else needs to work properly, and now you have to figure out how to resolve that.

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, Tom Hill wrote: On 25/03/2019 09:17, Sean Donelan wrote: Its always a bad idea to do packet filtering at your bgp border. Wild assertion. Why? My mistake trying to keep it simple. I should have just posted Barry Greene's link. http://www.senki.org/exploitable-port-fil

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Hansen, Christoffer
On 25/03/2019 13:44, Ca By wrote: > Different topic. But most broadband providers have a similar > list and it nearly always has port 25 blocked and you know why https://ipv6.he.net/certification/faq.php HE blocks IRC 6667 and SMTP 25 ports on https://tunnelbroker.net/ tunnels for the same reaso

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 5:33 AM Jason Hellenthal wrote: > Actually a little surprised to see port 25 blocked in both directions here > along with 1080. It’s like saying here’s your network but it’s limited. > > Though I wouldn’t recommend spawning up 25 it’s still a legitimately used > port t

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Jason Hellenthal via NANOG
Actually a little surprised to see port 25 blocked in both directions here along with 1080. It’s like saying here’s your network but it’s limited. Though I wouldn’t recommend spawning up 25 it’s still a legitimately used port today as alike with 1080. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Ca By
Blocked ssdp and move on Ssdp is a horrible ddos vector Comcast and many others already block it, because is the smart and best thing to do https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/list-of-blocked-ports On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:30 AM marcel.duregards--- via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org> wrote: >

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/03/2019 09:17, Sean Donelan wrote: > Its always a bad idea to do packet filtering at your bgp border. Wild assertion. Why? DoS mitigation, iACLs, BGP security... I can think of lots of very sensible reasons. -- Tom

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan
Barry Greene has already written up a great overview, and provides links to best practices on ISP port filtering, pro & con. http://www.senki.org/exploitable-port-filtering/ My advice is consistent with Barry's, but I should I done my web research first :-)

RE: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Phil Lavin
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, marcel.duregards--- via NANOG wrote: > As SSDP is used with PnP for local LAN service discovery, we are > thinking of: > > 1) educate our client (take a lot of time) > 2) filter incoming SSDP packets (UDP port 1900 at least) in our bgp > border Looking back at logs for VoIP

Re: Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, marcel.duregards--- via NANOG wrote: As SSDP is used with PnP for local LAN service discovery, we are thinking of: 1) educate our client (take a lot of time) 2) filter incoming SSDP packets (UDP port 1900 at least) in our bgp border Its always a bad idea to do packet filte

Incoming SSDP UDP 1900 filtering

2019-03-25 Thread marcel.duregards--- via NANOG
Dear Community, We see more and more SSDP 'scan' in our network (coming from outside into our AS). Of course our client have open vulnerables boxes (last one is an enterprise class Synology with all defaults ports open:-)) which could be used as a reflection SSDP client. As SSDP is used with PnP