Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-05 Thread Matt Erculiani
I think it's also worth pointing out that there is administrative and technology overhead to leasing out IPs as well; some liability too when it comes to network abuse. Additionally, not every user returns their IPs as they received them, many find their way onto blacklists or other negative

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-05 Thread Matt Harris
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:17 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > We got a new block from ARIN 12-23-2019 19:40:59. I remember many that > were on the list for months to a few years that also got allocated that > week. > There was an influx of available space at ARIN around December/January. We ended up

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-05 Thread Josh Luthman
We got a new block from ARIN 12-23-2019 19:40:59. I remember many that were on the list for months to a few years that also got allocated that week. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:31 PM Fred Baker wrote:

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Fred Baker
> On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Tom Beecher wrote: > > The only other option then becomes the secondary transfer markets, where > costs to acquire v4 space are much higher than what direct allocations from > the RIRs used to be. > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:35 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. >

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Owen DeLong
$2/month is one of the more reasonable pricing schemes I’ve seen. Many providers are gouging $5 and in some cases as much as $15/month for static IPv4 addresses. The good news is that IPv6 is still quite inexpensive and works even better. Owen > On Aug 4, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Baldur Norddahl

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Baldur Norddahl
IP address space is no longer free. But an ISP or hosting company is a trader of addresses now and like everything else we do, there is an opportunity to make a margin. Say the provider bought at $12 per address and assuming IPv4 is needed for at least 10 years, that would only be .1 USD/month.

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread David Hubbard
Agreeing with the other replies about scarcity. Also wanted to comment that address exhaustion affects web hosts particularly hard because "SEO experts" continue to believe that if a site they work on does not have an exclusive IP, they're being penalized by Google. They'll convince clients

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Randy Bush
> I know that a shortage of IPv4 addresses has been anticipated for > quite some time (literally decades), however, is there a shortage > *right now*? yes, ipv4 space is tight > our per IPv4 address price to $2.00 per IP. open market is O($20) per host address. that is 'buying' it. and then

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Tom Beecher
Yes. Every RIR has either assigned all the space that it has been allocated, or is getting very close and restricting the amount of v4 addresses that can be requested. Once that occurs, you can get on a waiting list to obtain space from the RIR that has been returned to the pool, but there are no

Re: Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread TJ Trout
Anne, IPv4 has been depleted in ARIN region since ~2015, it's supply and demand. On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:36 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: > I know that a shortage of IPv4 addresses has been anticipated for quite > some time (literally decades), however, is there a shortage *right now*? >

Is there *currently* a shortage of IPv4 addresses?

2020-08-04 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
I know that a shortage of IPv4 addresses has been anticipated for quite some time (literally decades), however, is there a shortage *right now*? I ask, because Liquid Web is using it as an excuse to raise their prices: "We're contacting you today to inform you of a change to your account. As