Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-24 Thread bmanning
ok... so lets look at some space here. 98.32.0.0/22 98.32.0.0/32 is clearly on the unusable boundary. what about 98.32.0.255/32 98.32.1.0/32 ??? 98.32.4.255/32 is also clearly on the unusable boundary... UNTIL the delegation moves from a /22 to a /21. Then its usable. clear?

Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:07:50PM +, Paul Zugnoni wrote: Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard .0 and .255 IP addresses (ipv4) as src/dst in packets as traffic that should be considered invalid. On a separate note, one of my customers

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Rob Laidlaw
RFC 2526 reserves the last 128 host addresses in each subnet for anycast use. On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: Hello, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:07:50PM +, Paul Zugnoni wrote: Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, RFC 2526 reserves the last 128 host addresses in each subnet for anycast use. But that would mean that the ...:fffe address also shouldn't work. Considering RFC 2526 then filtering those addresses when used as source address makes sense. - Sander PS: I'm in contact with a network

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Rob, On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:16:48AM -0500, Rob Laidlaw wrote: RFC 2526 reserves the last 128 host addresses in each subnet for anycast use. D'oh, I didn't even think to check for reserved addresses. Thanks. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Mike Jones
On 23 October 2012 14:16, Rob Laidlaw laid...@consecro.com wrote: RFC 2526 reserves the last 128 host addresses in each subnet for anycast use. IPv4 addresses ending in .0 and .255 can't be used either because the top and bottom addresses of a subnet are unusable. Why would hetzner be making

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Marc Storck
IPv4 addresses ending in .0 and .255 can't be used either because the top and bottom addresses of a subnet are unusable. Only true if speaking of /24, but with the appearance of CIDR 19 years ago, this is not true anymoreŠ The .255 and .0 in the center of a /23 are perfectly usable see an

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-23 Thread james machado
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Justin Krejci jkre...@usinternet.com wrote: And since owen has not yet mentioned it, consider something that supports having : in its address as well. Sort of tangentially related, I had a support rep for a vendor once tell me that a 255 in the second or

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-23 Thread Tore Anderson
* Job Snijders In the post-classfull routing world .0 and .255 should be normal IP addresses. CIDR was only recently defined (somewhere in 1993) so I understand it might take companies some time to adjust to this novel situation. Ok, enough snarkyness! Quite recently a participant of the

RE: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-23 Thread Darren O'Connor
I purposely assigned myself a .0 and never had a problem using anything online, or going anywhere Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:00:53 +0200 From: tore.ander...@redpill-linpro.com To: j...@instituut.net Subject: Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses? CC:

Re: Issues encountered with assigning all ones IPv6 /64 address? (Was Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?)

2012-10-23 Thread Joel Maslak
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Jones m...@mikejones.in wrote: IPv4 addresses ending in .0 and .255 can't be used either because the top and bottom addresses of a subnet are unusable. Why would hetzner be making such assumptions about what is and is not a valid address on a remote

Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Zugnoni
Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard .0 and .255 IP addresses (ipv4) as src/dst in packets as traffic that should be considered invalid. When you have a pool of assignable addresses, you should expect to see x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 in passing traffic (ie. VIP

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Bryan Tong
As far as I know. There is no RFC based restrictions based on having those as usable IPs. We have been routing customers IP blocks on our network for a while and never had a problem with 0 or .255 as the assigned IP even with Microsoft Windows 2003 as the operating system. Im not sure how to fix

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Matt Buford
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Paul Zugnoni paul.zugn...@jivesoftware.com wrote: Any experience or recommendations? Besides replace the ISA proxy…. Since it's not mine to replace. Also curious whether there's an RFC recommending against the use of .0 or .255 addresses for this reason. Way

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Job Snijders
Hi Paul, On Oct 22, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Paul Zugnoni paul.zugn...@jivesoftware.com wrote: Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard .0 and .255 IP addresses (ipv4) as src/dst in packets as traffic that should be considered invalid. When you have a pool of

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Dan White
On 10/22/12 17:18 -0500, Matt Buford wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Paul Zugnoni paul.zugn...@jivesoftware.com wrote: Any experience or recommendations? Besides replace the ISA proxy…. Since it's not mine to replace. Also curious whether there's an RFC recommending against the use

RE: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread David Hubbard
From: Paul Zugnoni [mailto:paul.zugn...@jivesoftware.com] Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard .0 and .255 IP addresses (ipv4) as src/dst in packets as traffic that should be considered invalid. When you have a pool of assignable addresses, you

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@instituut.net wrote: From: Job Snijders j...@instituut.net Curious whether it's commonplace to find systems that automatically regard .0 and .255 IP addresses (ipv4) as src/dst in packets as traffic that should be considered invalid. When you have a pool of assignable addresses,

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Joe Greco
d be considered invalid. When you have a pool of assignable addresses, you = should expect to see x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 in passing traffic (ie. VIP or N= AT pool, or subnets larger than /24). Yet I've run into a commercial IP mgm= t product and getting reports of M$ ISA proxy that is

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201210222307.q9mn7aiv063...@aurora.sol.net, Joe Greco writes: d be considered invalid. When you have a pool of assignable addresses, you = should expect to see x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 in passing traffic (ie. VIP or N = AT pool, or subnets larger than /24). Yet I've run into a

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Joe Greco
Ten year old equipment should be CIDR aware. It's not like it CIDR wasn't in wide spread using in 2002. And BCP38 has had sufficient time to be globally deployed. What's your point, again? ;-) I was pretty careful in trying to outline that it's still expected that there are defective

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 10/22/12, Paul Zugnoni paul.zugn...@jivesoftware.com wrote: [snip] Any experience or recommendations? Besides replace the ISA proxy…. Since it's not mine to replace. Also curious whether there's an RFC recommending against the use of .0 or .255 addresses for this reason. ISA is old, and

Re: Issues encountered with assigning .0 and .255 as usable addresses?

2012-10-22 Thread Justin Krejci
And since owen has not yet mentioned it, consider something that supports having : in its address as well.  Sort of tangentially related, I had a support rep for a vendor once tell me that a 255 in the second or third octet was not valid for an ipv4 address. Hard to troubleshoot a problem when