Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-19 Thread Jack Bates
Phil Pierotti wrote: That's excellent news - any word on when Cisco will be back-porting these truly useful features from XR to that platform which so many of us are still running on (ie "traditional IOS")? The general feeling is that XR won't be ported to a lot of existing hardware, and trad

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Tony Varriale
As a side note that many may be aware of, there are other Cisco products/code bases that have these nice features. tv - Original Message - From: "Paul Cosgrove" To: "Richard A Steenbergen" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Juniper M1

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread sthaug
> That's excellent news - any word on when Cisco will be back-porting these > truly useful features from XR to that platform which so many of us are still > running on (ie "traditional IOS")? Obviously not speaking for Cisco here - but as a significant customer we have had no indication that this

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Phil Pierotti
That's excellent news - any word on when Cisco will be back-porting these truly useful features from XR to that platform which so many of us are still running on (ie "traditional IOS")? Phil P On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Paul Cosgrove < paul.cosgrove.na...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Paul Cosgrove
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:24:24AM -0600, Jack Bates wrote: > > Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > >They've definitely been improving it over the years though, so much that > > >I almost never trigger a session reset on me unintentional

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-17 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:24:24AM -0600, Jack Bates wrote: > Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > >They've definitely been improving it over the years though, so much that > >I almost never trigger a session reset on me unintentionally any more. > > They must have. This was new to me and came as a sho

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-17 Thread Paolo Lucente
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:28:06AM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > Caveat: no MAC accounting on LAGs (IEEE speak) / Aggregated Ethernet (Juniper > speak) / Etherchannels (Cisco speak). > > Might or might not be important when using bundled links to public > peering fabrics. Or for the very same go

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-17 Thread Jack Bates
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: They've definitely been improving it over the years though, so much that I almost never trigger a session reset on me unintentionally any more. They must have. This was new to me and came as a shock. I don't think I've ever seen my m120 behave any different than m

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:28:06AM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > PS: and of course JUNOS still undeterministically resetting unrelated > BGP sessions for no good reason when modifying BGP configuration - so > one is well-advised to do ANY configuration changes in the area of BGP > within a maint wi

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Randy Bush
> PS: and of course JUNOS still undeterministically resetting unrelated BGP > sessions for no good reason when modifying BGP configuration cisco is deterministic. breathe on it and all sessions reset. randy

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:04:46PM +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: > We've been using the MX-es as border routers for some time now. It's a > role that suits them very well in my opinion, no problems at all so far. Caveat: no MAC accounting on LAGs (IEEE speak) / Aggregated Ethernet (Juniper speak) /

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Leslie
Tore Anderson wrote: * Gary Mackenzie I had looked briefly, does anybody here actually use them as peering routers? I've seen a few implementations using them in the MPLS P and PE router roles but never as border routers. We've been using the MX-es as border routers for some time now. It's

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Remember to request some quotes for MX-80, not yet released , soon to be out "lower end" routers. and MX240 3Ds. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/mx240/ Normally Juniper sales guys don't quote you things that are coming out soon unless you specially ask for thi

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Gary Mackenzie
Thanks everybody for the feedback. I'll likely be getting a few quotes for MX series boxes I think, we're in the happy position of having a completely e-net infrastructure so we're not limited by interface options. Thanks again for recommendation, good to know other people are using them successfu

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:14:52 - (GMT) > From: "Gary Mackenzie" > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:04, Dale W. Carder wrote: > >> > >> On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: > >> > >>> Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering > >>> routers > >>> these da

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Tore Anderson
* Gary Mackenzie > I had looked briefly, does anybody here actually use them as peering > routers? I've seen a few implementations using them in the MPLS P and > PE router roles but never as border routers. We've been using the MX-es as border routers for some time now. It's a role that suits t

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Jason Lixfeld
Cisco's ASR9000 is supposed to be in-line with the Juniper MX offering (price-wise and feature-wise); more so than as 124xx, I hear. On 2009-11-16, at 10:54 AM, "Gary Mackenzie" > wrote: Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consen

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread sthaug
> I had looked briefly, does anybody here actually use them as peering > routers? I've seen a few implementations using them in the MPLS P and PE > router roles but never as border routers. We use MX series as peering routers. They work very well. Steinar Haug, AS 2116

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Gary Mackenzie
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:04, Dale W. Carder wrote: >> >> On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: >> >>> Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering >>> routers >>> these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper >>> M >>> series routers?

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Brad Fleming
I'd think the Juniper MX series might fit, as well as the Brocade NetIron XMR. And of course the Cisco you already mentioned. -brad On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread sthaug
> Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers > these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M > series routers? Juniper MX series? Works great for us. Much nicer 10G prices than M120. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:04, Dale W. Carder wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: > >> Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers >> these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M >> series routers? > > have you lo

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: > Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers > these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M > series routers? have you looked at the MX series? Dale

Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Gary Mackenzie
Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M series routers? I'm asking as the prices to upgrade to 10Gbit capable Juniper units (ie. an M120) seem prohibitively high so I'm looking to get a feel