; Jonathan Towne
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
I think you might find its this issue.
PSN-2013-01-823
"Junos: Crafted TCP packet can lead to kernel crash"
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From: Matthew Petach [mailto:mpet...@netflight.com]
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Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Towne wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:57:06AM -0500, Alex Rubenstein scribbled:
> # The question should be more along the lines of, "why aren't you multihomed
> in a way that would make a 30 minut
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> From: Brett Watson [mailto:br...@the-watsons.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:07 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
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> Hell, we used to not have to bother notifying customers of anything, we just
> fixed the
Brett Watson [mailto:br...@the-watsons.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:07 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
Hell, we used to not have to bother notifying customers of anything, we just
fixed the problem. Reminds me a of a story I've probably sha
The Juniper PR in question is actually 836197.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Matthew Petach wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Towne wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:57:06AM -0500, Alex Rubenstein scribbled:
> > # The question should be more along the lines of, "why aren'
Op Sec.
>>
>> When it is that, it is best if the remainder of us sit quietly on the
>> sidelines.
>>
>> Ralph Brandt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Siegel, David [mailto:david.sie...@level3.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday
responsibility so it had to be Op Sec.
> >
> > When it is that, it is best if the remainder of us sit quietly on the
> > sidelines.
> >
> > Ralph Brandt
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Siegel, David [mailto:david.sie...@level3.com]
com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:01 PM
> To: 'Ray Wong'; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> This topic reminds me of yesterday's discussion in the conference around
> getting some BCOP's draft
To: 'Ray Wong'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
Hi Ray,
This topic reminds me of yesterday's discussion in the conference around
getting some BCOP's drafted. it would be useful to confirm my own view
of the BCOP around communicating
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:01 PM
To: 'Ray Wong'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
Hi Ray,
This topic reminds me of yesterday's discussion in the conference around
getting some BCOP's drafted. it would be useful to confirm my own vie
* Andrew Sullivan:
> My impression is mostly that people are left feeling uncomfortable
> by a massive upgrade of this sort with so little communication about
> why and so on.
That's a side effect of Juniper's notification policy. Perhaps
someone should them take them by their word ("Security pa
On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 07:57 -0500, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> > Would you rather your ISP not maintain their devices? Are the
> > consequences "so bad" of a 30 minute outage that your business
> > is severely impacted?
> >
> > - Jared
>
> You had me up until that line.
>
> That should be expande
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Towne wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:57:06AM -0500, Alex Rubenstein scribbled:
> # The question should be more along the lines of, "why aren't you multihomed
> in a way that would make a 30 minute outage (which is inevitable) irrelevant
> to you?
>
>
On 2/6/13 8:34 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Ray Wong wrote:
My impression is mostly that people are left feeling uncomfortable by
a massive upgrade of this sort with so little communication about why
and so on. "Emergency work for five hours and 30 minutes
disconnection" t
ubject: Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?
>
OK, having had that first cup of coffee, I can say perhaps the main reason I
was wondering is I've gotten used to Level3 always being on top of things (and
admittedly, rarely communicating). They've reached the top by often being a
black
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Ray Wong wrote:
My impression is mostly that people are left feeling uncomfortable by
a massive upgrade of this sort with so little communication about why
and so on. "Emergency work for five hours and 30 minutes
disconnection" that turns out to take longer than 30 minutes o
Given the issue was announced a week ago, I'm surprised they didn't provide
some sort of emergency notification prior to the upgrade. However, I
certainly understand their immediate desire to deploy this update. I don't
think it's bad as the BGP one from not too long ago in that exploit code is
n
>
OK, having had that first cup of coffee, I can say perhaps the main
reason I was wondering is I've gotten used to Level3 always being on
top of things (and admittedly, rarely communicating). They've reached
the top by often being a black box of reliability, so it's (perhaps
unrealistically) surp
On 2/6/13 7:43 AM, Ray Wong wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:39:14AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
So, I'm wondering what is shocking that someone may have to push out some sort
of upgrade either urgently or periodically that is so impacting
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:39:14AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
>>
>> So, I'm wondering what is shocking that someone may have to push out some
>> sort of upgrade either urgently or periodically that is so impacting and
>> causes these emails
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:39:14AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
>
> So, I'm wondering what is shocking that someone may have to push out some
> sort of upgrade either urgently or periodically that is so impacting and
> causes these emails on the list.
>
My impression is mostly that people are lef
> Yeah, perhaps not as elegantly worded as I would have hoped, but there are
> many reasons things "go down". Just one of those elements is the internet
> part, there's also transport, power, and other elements that combine to
> make this complex system called the internet. If you N+N or N+1 your
On Feb 6, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> Would you rather your ISP not maintain their devices? Are the
>> consequences "so bad" of a 30 minute outage that your business
>> is severely impacted?
>>
>> - Jared
>
> You had me up until that line.
>
> That should be expanded a littl
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:57:06AM -0500, Alex Rubenstein scribbled:
# The question should be more along the lines of, "why aren't you multihomed in
a way that would make a 30 minute outage (which is inevitable) irrelevant to
you?
The fun part of this emergency maintenance in the northeast USA w
> Would you rather your ISP not maintain their devices? Are the
> consequences "so bad" of a 30 minute outage that your business
> is severely impacted?
>
> - Jared
You had me up until that line.
That should be expanded a little ...
First, I'd say, yes - many businesses would be severely impa
On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Peter Ehiwe wrote:
> Also received same ...
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Ray Wong wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have details on tonight's apparent worldwide emergency
>> router upgrade? All I managed to get out of the portal was 30 minutes,
>> "Service Affecting"
Also received same ...
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Ray Wong wrote:
> Does anyone have details on tonight's apparent worldwide emergency
> router upgrade? All I managed to get out of the portal was 30 minutes,
> "Service Affecting" (no kidding?) and the NOC line gave me the
> recording about
I just received this email from level3
Summary
Level 3 Communications will perform a mandatory network upgrade that will be
service impacting and will impact devices in multiple locations. We are
upgrading the code on portions of the global network to increase stability for
the overall n
That is general guess.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 01:04:40PM +0200,
> JP Viljoen wrote
> a message of 10 lines which said:
>
> > the general guess I saw was that it was Juniper-related.
>
> Juniper Technical Bulletin PSN-2013-01-823, pr
ugh!
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:04 AM, JP Viljoen wrote:
> On 06 Feb 2013, at 11:58 AM, Ray Wong wrote:
> > Does anyone have details on tonight's apparent worldwide emergency
> > router upgrade? All I managed to get out of the portal was 30 minutes,
> > "Service Affecting" (no kidding?) and the N
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 01:04:40PM +0200,
JP Viljoen wrote
a message of 10 lines which said:
> the general guess I saw was that it was Juniper-related.
Juniper Technical Bulletin PSN-2013-01-823, probably?
On 06 Feb 2013, at 11:58 AM, Ray Wong wrote:
> Does anyone have details on tonight's apparent worldwide emergency
> router upgrade? All I managed to get out of the portal was 30 minutes,
> "Service Affecting" (no kidding?) and the NOC line gave me the
> recording about it and disconnected me.
Not
Does anyone have details on tonight's apparent worldwide emergency
router upgrade? All I managed to get out of the portal was 30 minutes,
"Service Affecting" (no kidding?) and the NOC line gave me the
recording about it and disconnected me.
-R>
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