RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread John Souvestre
[mailto:mi...@mikea.ath.cx] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:46 pm To: NANOG Mailing List Subject: Re: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:16:07AM -0600, Matlock, Kenneth L wrote: > That brings up an interesting question. I assumed the ground potential >

Re: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread Mike Andrews
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:16:07AM -0600, Matlock, Kenneth L wrote: > That brings up an interesting question. I assumed the ground potential > stays the same between 2 points, but have there been any studies to see > if it's actually DC, or if there's an AC component to it? Thaat's not a safe as

RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread Matlock, Kenneth L
-Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > No, it will be strictly a DC current, with the amperage easily calculated from the voltage difference between the two ends and the resistance of > however many cable-feet of wire is involved. Not usuall

Re: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:16:17 -0500, "John Souvestre" said: > Yes, but would this result in more or less noise than an open end acting > like an antenna? And would the ground loop noise be in the DSL spectrum? No, it will be strictly a DC current, with the amperage easily calculated from the volta

RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread John Souvestre
: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:14 am To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; John Souvestre Cc: NANOG Mailing List Subject: RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss Yeah, grounding both ends will result in some current traversing across the pairs all the time because of differences in ground potential

RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread Matlock, Kenneth L
[mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:00 AM To: John Souvestre Cc: 'NANOG Mailing List' Subject: Re: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:15:59 -0500, "John Souvestre" said: > Have you considered grounding one end (or

Re: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:15:59 -0500, "John Souvestre" said: > Have you considered grounding one end (or both) of the free pairs? Perhaps > this would reduce the amount of noise they pick up. Grounding both ends will probably result in "hilarity ensues". And I suspect that Anurag can't ground th

RE: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread John Souvestre
    John Souvestre - New Orleans LA - (504) 454-0899 -Original Message- From: Anurag Bhatia [mailto:m...@anuragbhatia.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:19 am To: NANOG Mailing List Subject: Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss Hello everyone. I am having some very bad time

Managing free pairs to prevent DSL sync. loss

2012-07-17 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Hello everyone. I am having some very bad time due to my ISP's poor last mile (in India). DSL is loosing sync. consistently and this time problem seems quite interesting so I though to ask how ISPs across world managing it. Problem is high attenuation & low SNR because of "lot of free pairs" in