Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:55 PM Bradley Huffaker wrote: > > Censorship does not need to be complete to be highly effective. Almost > all regulation, drugs/speeding/etc, is designed to increase the cost to > the point were “most” individuals are discouraged. While VPNs can be used > to bypass

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-29 Thread Bradley Huffaker
Censorship does not need to be complete to be highly effective. Almost all regulation, drugs/speeding/etc, is designed to increase the cost to the point were “most” individuals are discouraged. While VPNs can be used to bypass China’s Great Firewall the added friction is enough to keep most

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-29 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Hi, > There's plenty of non technical teenagers in Pakistan with VPN clients on > their > phone or laptop who seem perfectly capable of using a VPN to watch Youtube or > access Twitter and other social media, during the periods of time

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
None of them are a good option. In the specific case of Pakistan, the periodic shutdowns and blockages have been 'moderate' enough, if that's an appropriate word to use, that *most* of the time, Telenor's customers have ordinary Internet service. Over the long run it is probably a benefit that its

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
(I'm sure i'll regret this, but...) On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 1:48 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > It should be noted that Telenor has been one of the nationwide license > holders for 3GPP cellular bands in Pakistan for a long time, and has > encountered the same issues with regional network shutdowns,

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
It should be noted that Telenor has been one of the nationwide license holders for 3GPP cellular bands in Pakistan for a long time, and has encountered the same issues with regional network shutdowns, and government orders to block certain netblocks or services. Not to the same extent as what's

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
scott writes: > Telenor and Ooredoo, it's time to do the right thing. Wrt Telenor, please see the info posted at https://www.telenor.com/sustainability/responsible-business/human-rights/mitigate/human-rights-in-myanmar/directives-from-authorities-in-myanmar-february-2021/ Bjørn

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread scott
On 4/26/2021 5:30 PM, George Metz wrote: First you say "not at all" and then you say "stop complying". If your employees stop complying with the orders coming from the angry men with guns held to said employees' heads, someone's going to get shot - and it's going to be the telecom

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread George Metz
First you say "not at all" and then you say "stop complying". If your employees stop complying with the orders coming from the angry men with guns held to said employees' heads, someone's going to get shot - and it's going to be the telecom employees. That's significantly more than a financial

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread scott
On 4/26/2021 11:27 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: Scott, are you saying that employees of Telenor and Ooredoo are “facilitating violent repression” by following the orders of soldiers holding guns to their heads? - No.  Not at

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread Mel Beckman
Scott, are you saying that employees of Telenor and Ooredoo are “facilitating violent repression” by following the orders of soldiers holding guns to their heads? My understanding of the rules of nano guess that there is to be no “naming and shaming“. please retract your post. -mel beckman >

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread scott
On 4/26/2021 10:53 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:23 PM, scott wrote: Telenor and Ooredoo, it's time to do the right thing. Well, for strongly held religious beliefs, some may be convicted enough to be a martyr. For internet connectivity? Likely not.

Re: Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
> On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:23 PM, scott wrote: > > Telenor and Ooredoo, it's time to do the right thing. Well, for strongly held religious beliefs, some may be convicted enough to be a martyr. For internet connectivity? Likely not. Andy Ringsmuth 5609 Harding Drive Lincoln, NE 68521-5831

Myanmar internet - something to think about if you're having a bad day

2021-04-26 Thread scott
These network operators are having to deal with really bad days! "At gunpoint, they ordered technicians at telecom operators to switch off the internet."  A whole other level of 'bad day' than we have to deal with! "The method of choice is to decouple website addresses from the series of