Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

Hi list, nothing operational here, but there are many smart minds on this list and people working for telcos, ISPs and law enforcement agencies, so maybe you are willing to give me some advice in the following case: There's an individual out there on the web that has been blackmailing hundre

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Jun 28, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Markus wrote: > Any other recommendations? Law enforcement. -- Roland Dobbins // Equo ne credite, Teucri. -- Laocoön

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014, Markus wrote: nothing operational here, but there are many smart minds on this list and people working for telcos, ISPs and law enforcement agencies, so maybe you are willing to give me some advice in the following case: That individual is hiding his real identity really

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On 6/28/2014 10:32 AM, Markus wrote: > There's an individual out there on the web that has been blackmailing > hundreds of people and companies in a specific area of business for years. You mentioned that this person resides in the US. Does he always target people outside the US? (from what you kn

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Am 28.06.2014 15:05, schrieb Justin M. Streiner: Have you contacted your local police, or the German equivalent (the BKA?) of the United States' FBI? > [...] My personal opinion is that having a PI go to the individual's house would not accomplish more than 'tipping your hand' to that person -

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Am 28.06.2014 19:44, schrieb Rob McEwen: You mentioned that this person resides in the US. Does he always target people outside the US? (from what you know about him) No, he targets individuals and companies all over the world in this particular area of business. And that's another good aspe

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Am 28.06.2014 19:52, schrieb Markus: Am 28.06.2014 19:44, schrieb Rob McEwen: You mentioned that this person resides in the US. Does he always target people outside the US? (from what you know about him) No, he targets individuals and companies all over the world in this particular area of bus

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Markus wrote: > Am 28.06.2014 15:05, schrieb Justin M. Streiner: > > Have you contacted your local police, or the German equivalent (the >> BKA?) of the United States' FBI? >> > > [...] > > My personal opinion is that having a PI go to the individual's house >>

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On 6/28/2014 1:57 PM, Markus wrote: > Sorry, maybe that line wasn't clear. What I meant is: he targets > anyone, everywhere, including individuals and businesses in the US. I think it will be easier/faster if a US victim pursues this with law enforcement, since, in general, legal systems often don

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Markus wrote: > Do you think the PI route makes sense? Any other recommendations? Your > feedback in general? Howdy, Some information for you to consider: 1. There are two things going on here: extortion and libel. 2. Extortion is a crime. However, unless a su

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Well, soccer game is over...so here's some information that may help. You have an interesting dilemma. But I don't think there is much you can do with law enforcement across bordersexcept operate a work around that will attract the attention of media and law enforcement. The law isn't lazy, it

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but one reason to get law enforcement involved, cynicism aside, is a concern for personal, particularly physical, retribution. At one time I spent a bit too much time refuting holocaust deniers, it got rather one-on-one. They came in various flavors but

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:32:15 +0200 Markus wrote: > Hi list, > > nothing operational here, but there are many smart minds on this list > and people working for telcos, ISPs and law enforcement agencies, so > maybe you are willing to give me some advice in the following case: > > There's an ind

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Sue him for slander? Contact the US DOJ and request extortion charges be filed? I mean if someone was committing a crime against me, I'd certainly be in contact with law enforcement to have charges filed and a warrant out for arrest. You shouldn't have called him. He has certainly changed his

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Am 30.06.2014 18:35, schrieb Charles N Wyble: Sue him for slander? Contact the US DOJ and request extortion charges be filed? I mean if someone was committing a crime against me, I'd certainly be in contact with law enforcement to have charges filed and a warrant out for arrest. Thanks, all.

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Markus wrote: Am 30.06.2014 18:35, schrieb Charles N Wyble: Sue him for slander? Contact the US DOJ and request extortion charges be filed? I mean if someone was committing a crime against me, I'd certainly be in contact with law enforcement to have charges filed and a warrant out for arrest

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IANAL but I believe criminal defamation is (ta-da!) a criminal offense. Defamation in service of the crime of extortion -- depends on the jurisdiction you decide to prosecute this in. Since the internet is everywhere, you might be able to choose the jurisdiction with the harshest penalty...Singap

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On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM, C. A. Fillekes wrote: > IANAL but I believe criminal defamation is (ta-da!) a criminal offense. Only 17 of the 50 states have criminal defamation laws and in half a century only 16 cases have resulted in conviction. More, a 2012 ruling by the U.N. Commission on Hu

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17 is generally the number of people required, in the US, to file a case as a class, which is why I said Markus should find 16 _other_ victims, which shouldn't be terribly hard, if we believe his claim that this scammer has targeted numerous others in this way. Furthermore, since the internet is e

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On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, C. A. Fillekes wrote: > 17 is generally the number of people required, in the US, to file a case as > a class, which is why I said Markus should find 16 _other_ victims, which > shouldn't be terribly hard, if we believe his claim that this scammer has > targeted num

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2014, C. A. Fillekes wrote: Furthermore, since the internet is everywhere, I pointed out (or did you stop reading after I mentioned that we don't actually know the gender of the scammer?) Markus has the option of pursuing this in a jurisdiction where the penalties for criminal defa

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Justin M. Streiner wrote: Finally, you fail to address the one very simple way I described to determine who this scammer is: follow the money. Make a small partial payment on this supposed "debt" and see who cashes the check. Much easier than trying to follow "him" around on the internet, tho

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Miles Fidelman wrote: Justin M. Streiner wrote: Finally, you fail to address the one very simple way I described to determine who this scammer is: follow the money. Make a small partial payment on this supposed "debt" and see who cashes the check. Much easier than trying to follow "him" aroun