Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-20 Thread David Temkin
: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:11 AM To: Dave Temkin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network? Requests to this address appear to go unanswered? Dave Temkin wrote the following on 12/11/2011 6:29 PM: Feel free to contact peering@netflixdotcom - we're happy

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-16 Thread Blake Hudson
Requests to this address appear to go unanswered? Dave Temkin wrote the following on 12/11/2011 6:29 PM: Feel free to contact peering@netflixdotcom - we're happy to provide you with delivery statistics for traffic terminating on your network. Regards, -Dave Temkin Netflix On 12/7/11 8:57 AM,

RE: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
-Original Message- From: Blake Hudson [mailto:bl...@ispn.net] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:11 AM To: Dave Temkin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network? Requests to this address appear to go unanswered? Dave Temkin wrote the following

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-16 Thread Paul Stewart
...@ispn.net] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:11 AM To: Dave Temkin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network? Requests to this address appear to go unanswered? Dave Temkin wrote the following on 12/11/2011 6:29 PM: Feel free to contact peering

RE: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-16 Thread Don Bowman
From: Blake Hudson [mailto:bl...@ispn.net] Yeah, that's an interesting one. We currently utilize netflow for this, but you also need to consider that netflix streaming is just port 80 www traffic. Because netflix uses CDNs, its difficult to pin down the traffic to specific hosts in the

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: On 12/11/11 19:49 , Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Simple, keep traffic off paid ip transit circuits (I think joel's point was: peer with amazon, done-and-done)

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 03:10:20PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: I believe Akamai, LLNW, L3 are the only companies that stream movies for Netflix. Peer with the CDNs to save your transit. That would be good if more than one of those CDNs peered openly. Simon

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! I believe Akamai, LLNW, L3 are the only companies that stream movies for Netflix. Peer with the CDNs to save your transit. That would be good if more than one of those CDNs peered openly. So what one doesnt? Akamai will peer with you anywhere and i doubt LLNW will give you trouble.

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 10:11:54PM +0100, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: Akamai will peer with you anywhere and i doubt LLNW will give you trouble. LLNW are restictive on peering. L3, well, they run a superb network and even more superb pricing, so why would they peer with anyone ;) And as I use

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Jason Lixfeld
On 2011-12-12, at 4:22 PM, Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org wrote: I guess most (i.e. those which aren't Akamai) are more concerned with making money than with delivering a good service to the end user. Really? I always thought that higher profits and buying transit were mutually exclusive

Peering vs. Transit vs. Profit [was: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?]

2011-12-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Jason Lixfeld wrote: On 2011-12-12, at 4:22 PM, Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org wrote: I guess most (i.e. those which aren't Akamai) are more concerned with making money than with delivering a good service to the end user. Really? I always thought that

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jason Lixfeld ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote: On 2011-12-12, at 4:22 PM, Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org wrote: I guess most (i.e. those which aren't Akamai) are more concerned with making money than with delivering a good service to the end user. Really?  I

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Dave Temkin
Feel free to contact peering@netflixdotcom - we're happy to provide you with delivery statistics for traffic terminating on your network. Regards, -Dave Temkin Netflix On 12/7/11 8:57 AM, Blake Hudson wrote: Yeah, that's an interesting one. We currently utilize netflow for this, but you also

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Which leads to a question to be asked... Is netflix willing to peer directly with ISP / NSP's ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 12/11/2011 7:29 PM, Dave Temkin wrote: Feel free to contact peering@netflixdotcom - we're happy to provide you with delivery statistics for

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Netflix uses CDNs for content delivery and the platform runs in EC2. What would peering with them achieve? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 18:06, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Which leads to a question to be asked... Is netflix willing to peer directly with ISP / NSP's

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:21:49 PST, Joel Jaeggli said: Netflix uses CDNs for content delivery and the platform runs in EC2. What would peering with them achieve? I suspect Faisal's *real* question is Who at Netflix do I talk to in order to discuss mutually beneficial traffic engineering?

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Simple, keep traffic off paid ip transit circuits Faisal On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: Netflix uses CDNs for content delivery and the platform runs in EC2. What would peering with them achieve? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 18:06,

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Simple, keep traffic off paid ip transit circuits (I think joel's point was: peer with amazon, done-and-done) Faisal On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: Netflix uses CDNs for

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Thanks for the explanation...did not consider that before...will investigate.., any tips that can be shared will be welcome. :) Faisal On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/11/11 19:49 , Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Simple, keep traffic off paid ip transit circuits (I think joel's point was: peer with amazon, done-and-done) also probably your relationships to akamai and level3

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Shaun Ewing
On 12/12/2011, at 4:18 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote: also probably your relationships to akamai and level3 Probably want to add Limelight to that list as well (do Netflix even use Akamai these days?) -Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-11 Thread Peter Beckman
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Simple, keep traffic off paid ip transit circuits (I think joel's point was: peer with amazon, done-and-done) DirectConnect seems to be a good way to get a

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-03 Thread Martin Hepworth
Also checkout Adrian Cockcroft presentations on their architecture which describes how they use aws and CDns etc Martin On Saturday, 3 December 2011, Jonathan Towne jto...@slic.com wrote: Wow.. not sure how I missed that option. Exactly why I posted before dumping a bunch of time into a

Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-02 Thread Jonathan Towne
Been lurking for a while and posed a question to a few folks without much response, figured someone here might've done something like this already. So, before I go about building wheels that already exist: I'm interested in doing a bit of a passive survey of bandwidth usage on my network

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-02 Thread Andrew Mulholland
Surely this is what Netflow is for. no need to re-invent the wheel. Andrew On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Jonathan Towne jto...@slic.com wrote: Been lurking for a while and posed a question to a few folks without much response, figured someone here might've done something like this

Re: Overall Netflix bandwidth usage numbers on a network?

2011-12-02 Thread Jonathan Towne
Wow.. not sure how I missed that option. Exactly why I posted before dumping a bunch of time into a bottomless bucket! Thanks.. :) -- Jonathan Towne On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 12:56:34AM +, Andrew Mulholland scribbled: # Surely this is what Netflow is for. # # # no need to re-invent the