On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
if the discussion hasn't shifted from that of DDoS to EDoS, it
should.
All DDoS is 'EDoS' - it's a distinction without a difference, IMHO.
DDoS costs opex, can cost direct revenue, can induce capex spends -
it's all about economics at bottom, always
Sean Donelan wrote:
Oh, the cloud service provider won't negotiate, won't give you unlimited
service credits, want to charge extra for that protection, don't want to
make promises it will work, and so on :-)
The same unsolved problems from the 1970's mainframe/timesharing era
still
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From: Florian Weimer [mailto:fwei...@bfk.de]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:52 AM
To: Stefan Fouant
Cc: 'Jeffrey Lyon'; 'NANOG list'
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS
Some companies have already suffered from this because they
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From: Florian Weimer [mailto:fwei...@bfk.de]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:55 AM
Not all attacks involve saturated pipes.
There used to be anti-DDoS vendors whose boxes didn't even have WAN
links. Part of the problem is that operating systems come with TCP
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:33 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote:
if the discussion hasn't shifted from that of DDoS to EDoS, it
should.
All DDoS is 'EDoS' - it's a distinction without a difference, IMHO.
DDoS costs opex, can cost direct revenue, can induce capex spends -
it's all about economics at
* Stefan Fouant:
Which is why vendors selling DDoS mitigation equipment will always tell you
to get a 15lb. bag first. ;) Their solutions work, but only if you got a
bag big enough to store a lot of crap.
Not all attacks involve saturated pipes.
There used to be anti-DDoS vendors whose
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From: jeffrey.l...@gmail.com [mailto:jeffrey.l...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Lyon
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:20 PM
To: Stefan Fouant
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Cloud Computing in dealing with DDoS
DDoS is a threat to the cloud
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
DDoS is a threat to the cloud just as DDoS is a threat to any other
service when you fail to implement protection. Our company recently
put out
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
DDoS is a threat to the cloud just as DDoS is a threat to any other
service when you fail to implement protection. Our company recently
put out a DDoS
On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote:
Obviously the cloud is no different than any other infrastructure
insofar as
implementing protection mechanisms. Ample bandwidth (typically more
so than
in the enterprise) should make it easier to absorb larger amounts of
the bad
stuff.
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From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:26 PM
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Stefan Fouant
sfou...@shortestpathfirst.com wrote:
Actually, no - the miscreants are always going to have more
bandwidth
at their
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