Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-16 Thread Curtis, Bruce
On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Curtis, Bruce wrote: If we take our current ISP bandwidth and increase it by 50% every year for 5 years it would be about twice the 100 Mbps per 1,000 students/staff recommendation. Is 50% growth each year typical

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:52:20 EST, Sean Donelan said: The difference is the people using LHC data usually have someone who can figure out network capacity planning, while the people in an administrative school office may not have anyone. So what is a reasonable network capacity for 1,000

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-13 Thread Jeff Kell
On 11/13/2010 12:37 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:52:20 EST, Sean Donelan said: So what is a reasonable network capacity for 1,000 students now and in 5 years. Just as LHC people and a school are different, I'm willing to bet that bandwidth requirements per

RE: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
trends in capacity planning and oversubscription On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Curtis, Bruce wrote: If we take our current ISP bandwidth and increase it by 50% every year for 5 years it would be about twice the 100 Mbps per 1,000 students/staff recommendation. Is 50% growth each year typical these days

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-12 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Curtis, Bruce wrote: If we take our current ISP bandwidth and increase it by 50% every year for 5 years it would be about twice the 100 Mbps per 1,000 students/staff recommendation. Is 50% growth each year typical these days? In the dot-com boom days, people said 100%

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread ML
On 11/10/2010 12:26 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: While the answer is always it depends, I was wondering what the current rules of thumb university network engineers are using for capacity planning and oversubscription for resnets and admin networks? For K-12, SETDA

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Michael Loftis
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: While the answer is always it depends, I was wondering what the current rules of thumb university network engineers are using for capacity planning and oversubscription for resnets and admin networks? For K-12, SETDA

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:42:32 EST, ML said: - An external Internet connection to the Internet Service Provider of at least 100 Mbps per 1,000 students/staff 30K students here, 2x10GE to the outside world. - Internal wide area network connections from the district to each school and

RE: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread John van Oppen
than 100 or 150 mbit/sec of usage, fitting nicely in the below recommendations. -Original Message- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:mlof...@wgops.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:48 AM To: Sean Donelan Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Meuse
Michael Loftis expunged (mlof...@wgops.com): Actually...I'm not sure anywhere has that high of a ratio here in the states, at least for wired connectivity. I would say that's highly dependent on your geographical location. In Montana I could see that as being true, but not in NYC, for

RE: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread George Bonser
From: Steve Meuse Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:31 AM To: Michael Loftis Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription Michael Loftis expunged (mlof...@wgops.com): Actually...I'm not sure anywhere has that high of a ratio here in the states

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Michael Loftis
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: Michael Loftis expunged (mlof...@wgops.com): Actually...I'm not sure anywhere has that high of a ratio here in the states, at least for wired connectivity. I would say that's highly dependent on your geographical location.

RE: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Holmes,David A
Sometimes it is a hard sell, but the factor most overlooked when designing high speed networks is that of designing for low latency. Bandwidth and over/under subscription are only part of the network design. Low latency networks (regional RTTs of 1-5 milliseconds; campus RTTs in the sub

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:40 56PM, George Bonser wrote: From: Steve Meuse Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:31 AM To: Michael Loftis Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription Michael Loftis expunged (mlof...@wgops.com): Actually...I'm not sure

Re: Current trends in capacity planning and oversubscription

2010-11-10 Thread Curtis, Bruce
On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: While the answer is always it depends, I was wondering what the current rules of thumb university network engineers are using for capacity planning and oversubscription for resnets and admin networks? For K-12, SETDA