Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Fred
Long time I had the same opinion, however, if someone operates a network with multiple upstream providers the operator should be able to afford a proper out of band console access which solves this issue completely. I would only accept a default route on Uplinks where I am only receiving a par

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Berry Mobley wrote: > I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed > also add default routes pointing to your providers > from whom you are receiving full feeds. > > If so, why? If not, why not? Back when I worked for the DNC we ran into a problem with the TCA

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Andreas Larsen wrote: > > There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. That may be true, but this isn’t it… > If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side > and maybe a /18 from that /16 on another si

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Adam Greene
nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Andreas Larsen wrote: There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites and your pr

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-05 Thread Marc Storck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Andreas Larsen wrote: There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side and maybe a /18 from that /16 on another site.

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Andreas Larsen
There is one setup where you would need default route from your provider. If you have no IBGP between two sites and your prefix is a large /16 on side and maybe a /18 from that /16 on another site. These site would not be able to talk to each other if you orginate from the same AS. Other than t

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, November 04, 2014 07:47:21 PM Berry Mobley wrote: > I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add > default routes pointing to your providers from whom you > are receiving full feeds. > > If so, why? If not, why not? We filter out default routes from our upstreams, but m

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Rogers
We don't accept a default from anyone, but will send one to a customer when specifically requested. We heavily filter all incoming routes (bogon, 1918, and many others). We don't want data resorting to 0/0 and ::/0 when we specifically rejected the matching route at the import policy. Additionall

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Owen DeLong
It seems in such a case, the traffic still doesn’t know where to go, but you don’t realize it because you have a default. Then you pass the traffic to one of the providers who doesn’t have a route for it and they drop it instead of you. If you see something different, then, by definition, said

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Usually, when this is done, it is an adjunct to providing connectivity fast while the table is loading on a connection reset. Owen > On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Berry Mobley wrote: > > I'm wondering how many of you who are multihomed also add default routes > pointing to your providers from w

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Berry Mobley wrote: > I'm wondering how many of you who are > multihomed also add default routes pointing > to your providers from whom you are receiving full feeds. Back when I was in the ISP world I installed a default route pointing to a data capture machine. T

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Mike Walter wrote: > > I have 5 providers and we get the default from all of them and full routing > tables. > > I have seen cases where if there is no default route, the traffic didn't know > where to go, even with full routes from all my providers. We put so

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Naslund, Steve
I can tell you that I do not do that. Typically if my BGP connectivity to a carrier fails I would prefer we don't route anything their way until we get that resolved because it might indicate a circuit that is up but unable to pass traffic (very common with carrier Ethernet especially). It doe

RE: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Mike Walter
I have 5 providers and we get the default from all of them and full routing tables. I have seen cases where if there is no default route, the traffic didn't know where to go, even with full routes from all my providers. -Mike -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog

Re: Default routes on BGP routers with full feeds

2014-11-04 Thread Blake Hudson
I often opt to leave one or more default routes configured with low priority (lower than BGP). The thinking is that if there is a fault with BGP, the router will still operate and the fault can be corrected remotely (in-band). The downside is that I might pass traffic for non-existing destinati