Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Carrozzo
You can just accept directly-connected peers from each network (or within 2 AS's, etc) then point a default at each one with different preferences. You can do with with two edges if you like also: iBGP between the edges, and push default into OSPF from both. WRT dynamic load balancing... generally

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Max Pierson
You really limit yourself when you just take a default from a provider. If you take 2 default's (one from each provider) for whatever reason, once you change the local pref on one of them, it's all your traffic outbound or none. I always request a full table + default, so you can filter to best su

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread George Bonser
> From: Ahmed Yousuf > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:32 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Dual Homed BGP for failover > > > > - Is this really a good idea, as the BGP process won't care > what > the utilisation of the links are and you will see situations where the > lower > spe

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ahmed Yousuf wrote: >  It > has now been requested to be able to distribute traffic across both links > rather than preference traffic to the higher speed link. > -          Is this really a good idea, as the BGP process won't care what > the utilisation of the lin

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/18/2011 1:00 PM, William Herrin wrote: IMO, that would be a mistake. Taking significantly less than a full table severely limits your options for balancing traffic between the links. It should also be noted that taking a full table, doesn't mean you have to use the full table. Apply fi

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Brandon Kim
gt; To: b...@herrin.us > Subject: Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover > CC: ayousuf0...@gmail.com; nanog@nanog.org > > > > On 1/18/2011 1:00 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > IMO, that would be a mistake. Taking significantly less than a full > > table severely limits your op

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Brandon Kim > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:57 AM > To: jba...@brightok.net; b...@herrin.us > Cc: ayousuf0...@gmail.com; nanog group > Subject: RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover > > > Someone should advise him that if he

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/18/2011 2:05 PM, George Bonser wrote: One can take a full feed but filter so only a subset of the routes are actually installed. For example, filter all routes that are more than one AS away from the immediate upstream. You should still be careful, as most processors keep a copy of filte

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Carrozzo
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: > You should still be careful, as most processors keep a copy of filtered > routes as well, so while your forwarding table may not increase, your route > processor memory most likely will. > > I don't think this is the case, on IOS at least. Some

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/18/2011 3:03 PM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: I don't think this is the case, on IOS at least. Some years ago I was rocking some 7500s with $not_enough ram for multiple full tables, but with a prefix list to accept le 23 they worked fine. On JunOS, I know I can view pre and post filtered bgp u

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Yep, the great thing about IOS without 'commit confirmed' is when you remove a bgp filter, it runs out of memory, reboots, brings up peers, runs out of memory, reboots... meanwhile if you're trying to get in over a public interface you're cursing John Chamber's very existence. Not that that's ever

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Randy Carpenter
I would be hesitant to do full tables on an SRX210, particularly if you only have an SRX210B with 512MB of RAM. I'm not sure what filtering would do in terms of memory usage, because I have not tried it. I generally put a separate edge device in to handle the upstream and BGP, and use the SRX p

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Max Pierson
Me <3's "commit confirmed" ... maybe someone from Cisco should be watching :) On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: > Yep, the great thing about IOS without 'commit confirmed' is when you > remove > a bgp filter, it runs out of memory, reboots, brings up peers, runs out of > memo

Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-18 Thread Michel de Nostredame
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM, George Bonser wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Brandon Kim >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:57 AM >> To: jba...@brightok.net; b...@herrin.us >> Cc: ayousuf0...@gmail.com; nanog group >> Subject: RE: Dual Hom

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-19 Thread Ahmed Yousuf
ly we don't need to do this that often. Thoughts? Ahmed From: Max Pierson [mailto:nmaxpier...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 January 2011 21:30 To: Jack Carrozzo Cc: Jack Bates; ayousuf0...@gmail.com; nanog group Subject: Re: Dual Homed BGP for failover Me <3's "comm

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-19 Thread Randy McAnally
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:23:47 -, Ahmed Yousuf wrote > - Accept that we are never going to get an ideal > distribution of traffic and continue monitoring and adjusting local > pref/prepends etc. as and when we need to change the distribution of > traffic. Hopefully we don't need to

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-19 Thread Ahmed Yousuf
f the higher capacity link. -Original Message- From: Randy McAnally [mailto:r...@fast-serv.com] Sent: 19 January 2011 14:00 To: Ahmed Yousuf; 'nanog group' Subject: RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:23:47 -, Ahmed Yousuf wrote > - Accept

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover

2011-01-19 Thread Randy McAnally
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:26:32 -, Ahmed Yousuf wrote > We're doing BGP to announce our PI space and make sure that our PI > space is reachable through both ISPs in case one link goes down. > This is the primary need to do the BGP here. Unfortunately my boss > has requested that we make use o

RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover (Ahmed Yousuf)

2011-01-19 Thread James Byaruhanga
hghi availability and load balancer solution > (InterNetX - J?rgen Gotteswinter) > 5. Re: Network Simulators (Ryan Shea) > 6. RE: Network Simulators (Gary Gladney) > 7. RE: Dual Homed BGP for failover (Randy McA