*From: *"Paul Timmins"
*To: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to
order it if one end was
t;nanog@nanog.org list"
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 2:24:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
> Any regional ILEC spanning at least a few counties in size will have some
> amount of inter-CO dark fiber, whether they want to sell it to any 3rd
> parties is entirely anoth
Any regional ILEC spanning at least a few counties in size will have some
amount of inter-CO dark fiber, whether they want to sell it to any 3rd
parties is entirely another question.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer
- Original Message -
> From: "Brandon Martin"
> On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>> I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber,
>> since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not?
>>
>> If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story
On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote:
I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber,
since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not?
If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but...
They have access to/control of a large amount of mid-mile
I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, since air
distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not?
If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but...
Cheers,
-- jra
On July 13, 2022 7:40:47 AM EDT, Mike Hammett wrote:
>I'm looking for a contact at
Of Mike
Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 2:24 PM
To: Paul Timmins
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber:
https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list
It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs
://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Timmins"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it
Unless you are a *significant* sized regional operator in an area that
overlaps with Frontier's ILEC territory is it unlikely in the extreme that
they would want to rent you some dark fiber or issue a quote for it.
Or some kind of very large enterprise customer that Frontier will take
seriously
Message -
From: "Paul Timmins"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it
if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in 2021 as an
Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to
order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in
2021 as an orderable product.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Frontier Dark
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