Re: PPPOE vs DHCP - RIPE Database

2011-01-28 Thread Marco Hogewoning
On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Peter Dambier wrote: > Hi, > > I have not seen this in the discussion yet. > > http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011 > > CPE support does not seem to be very broad yet. > As far as I can see there is almost PPPoE only for IPv6 in

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP - RIPE Database

2011-01-27 Thread Peter Dambier
Hi, I have not seen this in the discussion yet. http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011 CPE support does not seem to be very broad yet. As far as I can see there is almost PPPoE only for IPv6 in Europe. In Germany cable is a mess by regulation. So no cable/dhcp.

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-27 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/27/2011 1:09 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: I'm not as sold on RBE in a 7206VXR, even though I really could use the same Option 82 in the same way as we do for FTTH. What was your problem with RBE? I've loved it (except for the 3000 interface configs that take 3-5minutes to write). Jack

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-27 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/27/2011 1:05 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: By IA_TA support, do you mean the ability for the 7206VXR to act as the DHCPv6 server? If I understand you correctly, I have it working well with DHCPv6 relay. Yeah, IA_TA is the temporary addresses (compared to prefix delegation). I haven't tested i

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Frank Bulk
We were a mostly PPPoA shop, and were doing PPPoE on our FTTH but moved to DHCP because of our desire to move to v6 without waiting for the access vendor and to get rid of supporting that username/password combo. And DSL modems that we're replacing in the field we're moving from PPPoA to PPPoE bec

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Frank Bulk
@nanog.org Subject: Re: PPPOE vs DHCP On 1/26/2011 11:03 AM, Tim Franklin wrote: > So they're telling us, at least for PPPoE specifically. Cisco solution is > "buy ASR". > This is same solution they've given for the 7206 and other traditional IOS platforms. I hav

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Frank Bulk
nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: PPPOE vs DHCP On 1/26/2011 11:03 AM, Tim Franklin wrote: > So they're telling us, at least for PPPoE specifically. Cisco solution is > "buy ASR". > This is same solution they've given for the 7206 and other traditional IOS platforms.

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/26/2011 11:03 AM, Tim Franklin wrote: So they're telling us, at least for PPPoE specifically. Cisco solution is "buy ASR". This is same solution they've given for the 7206 and other traditional IOS platforms. I haven't checked, but all the RBE/unnumbered vlan support for IPv6 with pr

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Tim Franklin
> 10K isn't supporting IPv6 on PPPoE? I thought the 10K specialized in > utilizing the IOS SR line. I've played with PPPoE and bridging on the > 7200s mostly. I need to kick up an ASR, as I hear it's specialized > code line has much better IPv6 support than IOS SR. both XR/XE codes > seem to be m

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/26/2011 9:36 AM, Tim Franklin wrote: Terminating PPPoE generally isn't much different than terminating VLANs. In Juniper world, it requires the right equipment. Cisco world, it's not generally a big deal. Unless, for example, you already sunk a chunk of change into Cisco 10Ks, and now

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Tim Franklin
> Terminating PPPoE generally isn't much different than terminating > VLANs. In Juniper world, it requires the right equipment. Cisco > world, it's not generally a big deal. Unless, for example, you already sunk a chunk of change into Cisco 10Ks, and now want IPv6 on your PPPoE. Not that I'm be

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread isabel dias
7; it and a few white papers bla and boom, start your own business like the others have done in the past ..   From: Paul Stewart To: Miquel van Smoorenburg Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 1:40:49 PM Subject: RE: PPPOE vs DHCP Thank yo

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/26/2011 8:12 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: No, we're not putting ERX's at people's homes ... not sure where you got that from? What I was saying is that if you're running PPPOE then you have have somewhere in the service provider network to "terminate" the sessions Hey. It was the middle of

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Paul Stewart
> PPPOE Cons > > -- > > > > Requires PPPOE termination router (Juniper ERX for example) > You're putting Juniper ERXs at customer houses? Really? I'd expect to see DSL/Cable drops which will utilize cheap end CPE (most of which don't support IPv6 hardly at all). No, we're not putting E

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Paul Stewart
January 26, 2011 4:16 AM To: p...@paulstewart.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: PPPOE vs DHCP In article <051001cbbcf0$c33e8b20$49bba160$@org> you write: >PPPOE vs DHCP >Allows full authentication of customers (requires username/password) You probably want to authenticate on circu

RE: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Paul Stewart
I just wanted to say thank you for a TONNE of feedback I received on this topic. This has been of great help in filling in some items I missed in my quick list. Will try to respond offlist to several of you that responded - got over 100 replies offline with some interesting ideas. I definitely l

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-26 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <051001cbbcf0$c33e8b20$49bba160$@org> you write: >PPPOE vs DHCP >Allows full authentication of customers (requires username/password) You probably want to authenticate on circuit id, not username/password. ATM port/vpi/vci for ATM connections, or PPPoE circuit id tag added by the DSLAM

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-25 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/25/2011 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: PPPOE Pros -- Allows full authentication of customers (requires username/password) Authentication isn't necessary if you have other methods of turning off a port. Authentication can actually be a Con, as the username/password can be forgott

Re: PPPOE vs DHCP

2011-01-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Paul Stewart wrote: I'm meeting with a customer tomorrow (service provider, rural telco) and we're pitching they move to a PPPOE platform most likely. But to be fair, I'm looking to draw up a comparison so they are "well informed" of the pros/cons. Has anyone done this?