Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2010-01-02 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > ...but as of the first of the year, alas, Krebs is no longer working for WaPo: You can continue to follow his work at http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/ Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ GERMAN BIGHT HUMBER: SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7. MODERATE OR RO

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > > That's funny. > > You're assuming that the MLAT [1] process works -- it doesn't. > > He's also assuming that US on-shore law applies, which it doesn't when > any one party is a non-US perso

RE: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
8:12 PM To: Keith Medcalf Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RBN and it's spin-offs -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > Without a warrant, there is an absolute right to privacy. > It continues to exist right up until eith

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:36 PM, William Pitcock > wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 23:25 -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, William Pitcock >>> wrote: >

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:36 PM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 23:25 -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, William Pitcock >> wrote: >> >> > It "worked" against Indymedia UK: http://www.indymedia.org/

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread William Pitcock
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 23:25 -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, William Pitcock > wrote: > > > It "worked" against Indymedia UK: http://www.indymedia.org/fbi/ > > indymedia is in texas, no mlat required. It was an MLAT initiated by the Dutch government because s

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, William Pitcock > wrote: > >> It "worked" against Indymedia UK: http://www.indymedia.org/fbi/ > > indymedia is in texas, no mlat required. > Exactly. >

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, William Pitcock wrote: > It "worked" against Indymedia UK: http://www.indymedia.org/fbi/ indymedia is in texas, no mlat required. rbn was actually, for a good portion of their existence, in Russia (I believe St Petersburg, but my memory is fuzzy). -chris

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Ricardo Tavares
Hey, I am not sure if this is the question asked in the first email. If I found a RBN fishing site, and ask RBN to shutdown the site, appears to me that this will not be done...so I need to block all the RBN cyber space, or initiate a fight for a warrant? I would prefer just block RBN sites...

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Ferg nailed it. I'll shut up now as he's made my point and its new year's eve .. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > That's funny. > > You're assuming that the MLAT [1] process works -- it doesn't. > > - - ferg > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Legal_Assistance_Tr

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread William Pitcock
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 20:12 -0800, Paul Ferguson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > > > > Without a warrant, there is an absolute right to privacy. > > It continues to exist right up until either (a) one party ch

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > Without a warrant, there is an absolute right to privacy. > It continues to exist right up until either (a) one party chooses > to give up that privacy or (b) a third party arrives with a Cour

RE: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
>>> Reportedly started by someone operating under the name >>> "Flyman," RBN is known as the mother of cybercrime among >>> online investigators. François Paget, senior expert for >>> the McAfee company, says that RBN began as an Internet >>> provider and offered "impenetrable" hosting for $600 a

Re: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > >> Reportedly started by someone operating under the name "Flyman," RBN is >> known as the mother of cybercrime among online investigators. François >> Paget, senior expert for the McAfee company, says that RBN began as an >> Internet provide

RE: RBN and it's spin-offs

2009-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
> Reportedly started by someone operating under the name "Flyman," RBN is > known as the mother of cybercrime among online investigators. François > Paget, senior expert for the McAfee company, says that RBN began as an > Internet provider and offered "impenetrable" hosting for $600 a month. > Thi