Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-19 Thread Randy Bush
> http://n1.netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/summary/id=43ca253f-6714-b0f7e7b0-d08e-4729-b491#BufferResult wow! lime's buffering and 587 hacking make me like caribbean cable more and more. randy

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-19 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
I'm sure it's a lot better than our Afghanistan satellite systems (84% uptime on two of them, 41% on the third). Luckily we load balance the WAN ports so it's not *too* painful. Jeff On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> http://n1.netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/summary/id=43ca253f-67

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Randy Bush writes: >> http://n1.netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/summary/id=43ca253f-6714-b0f7e7b0-d08e-4729-b491#BufferResult > > wow! lime's buffering and 587 hacking make me like caribbean cable more > and more. hmm, 587 hacking, issue with configuration, or typo? Direct TCP connections to re

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not > sound like a 587 problem to me. > > netalyzr folks? comment? Cisco PIX?

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not > sound like a 587 problem to me. > > netalyzr folks? comment? Sorry, I hit send too soon ... I've heard from a couple of people that the PIX will remap 587 (and 25) to oddball por

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:30:06 PDT, Lyndon Nerenberg said: > I've heard from a couple of people that the PIX will remap 587 (and 25) > to oddball ports if you fiddle the config just right. Given all the > other bogosity that box does with SMTP I wonder if there's truth to the > rumour. (I haven't f

RE: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> -Original Message- > From: Lyndon Nerenberg [mailto:lyn...@orthanc.ca] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:30 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Randy in Nevis > > On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP s

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: >> "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not >> sound like a 587 problem to me. >> >> netalyzr folks? comment? > > Sorry, I hit send too soon ... > > I've heard from a

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Owen DeLong writes: > On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >> On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: >>> "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not >>> sound like a 587 problem to me. >>> >>> netalyzr folks? comment? >> >> Sorry, I hit send too

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: [...] > 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. It is? That's not what's recorded at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers urd 465/tcpURL Rendesvous Directory for SSM igmpv3lite 465/udp

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/28/10 7:49 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote: > On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: > > [...] > >> 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. > > It is? That's not what's recorded at: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers > > urd 465/tcpU

RE: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
> >> 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. > > > > It is? That's not what's recorded at: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers > > > > urd 465/tcpURL Rendesvous Directory for SSM > > igmpv3lite 465/udpIGMP over UDP for SSM > > >

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread John Peach
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:39:33 + Nathan Eisenberg wrote: > > >> 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port > > >> for STMPS. > > > > > > It is? That's not what's recorded at: > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers > > > > > > urd 465/tcpURL Rendesvo

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Owen DeLong
Whether recorded with IANA or not, it certainly is what you will find if you google: smtp ssl port It's also what just about every MUA and MTA I've seen expects for that purpose. Owen On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote: > On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: > > [...] > >

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
John Peach writes: > It is on all Linux distros: > > ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL So file bug reports. Bjørn

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread John Peach
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:13:51 +0200 Bjørn Mork wrote: > John Peach writes: > > > It is on all Linux distros: > > > > ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL > > So file bug reports. With IANA? It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might say. > >

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:13:51 +0200, =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?= said: > John Peach writes: > > > It is on all Linux distros: > > > > ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL > > So file bug reports. bug-repo...@iana.org seems to bounce. pgpKVhunwIKfg.pgp Description: PG

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-09-29, at 12:25, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:13:51 +0200, =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?= said: >> John Peach writes: >> >>> It is on all Linux distros: >>> >>> ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL >> >> So file bug reports. > > bug-

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Chris Boyd
On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:26 AM, John Peach wrote: > With IANA? > > It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might say. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4409.txt Here's what they've had to say over time: http://web.archive.org/web/20010519080902/http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-n

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
John Peach writes: > It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might say. It's common knowledge that 465 *was* smtps. A decade ago. But it has never gone anywhere, and it is way overdue for an "obsolete" tag. Everyone actually caring about SMTP over SSL are using STARTTLS on

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread John Peach
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:06:02 +0200 Bjørn Mork wrote: > John Peach writes: > > > It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might > > say. > > It's common knowledge that 465 *was* smtps. A decade ago. But it has > never gone anywhere, and it is way overdue for an "obsolete" t

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:10 AM, John Peach wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:06:02 +0200 > Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> John Peach writes: >> >>> It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might >>> say. >> >> It's common knowledge that 465 *was* smtps. A decade ago. But it has >> ne

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread John Peach
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:16:04 -0700 Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:10 AM, John Peach wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:06:02 +0200 > > Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > >> John Peach writes: > >> > >>> It's common knowledge that 465 is smtps, whatever else IANA might > >>> say. > >> >

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
John Peach writes: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:06:02 +0200 > Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> It's common knowledge that 465 *was* smtps. A decade ago. But it has >> never gone anywhere, and it is way overdue for an "obsolete" tag. >> Everyone actually caring about SMTP over SSL are using STARTTLS on >> por

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-29 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > It's common knowledge that 465 *was* smtps. A decade ago. But it has > never gone anywhere, and it is way overdue for an "obsolete" tag. > Everyone actually caring about SMTP over SSL are using STARTTLS on port > 25 and 587. Microsoft MUAs only supporte