Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-16 Thread Andrey Khomyakov
I'd like to see the actual benchmarks. Something similar to routerperformance.pdf spreadsheet, but something more recent. Seems like those resources are alone available for partners. I've been following this thread, but no one has pointed out any documentation yet. Just speculation and personal exp

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-16 Thread Tony Varriale
Original Message - From: "Bill Stewart" To: "Tony Varriale" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet That's the spec sheet, and that's for straight forwarding. If you want to do much of anything else at

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-14 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 12 April 2010 01:28:45 pm Jeffrey Negro wrote: > Any and all suggestions on the hardware would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance! Well, I've read through this thread as it's unfolded I repurposed some big hardware (that we already had on-hand) to terminate our metro e

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Stewart
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Tony Varriale wrote: > > From: "Bill Stewart" > > Be careful using 3845s for 100 Mbps connections or above > The 3825 says 179mbps on their spec sheet.  Not sure where you are getting > your numbers but they are way off. > All of those numbers are straight forward

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-14 Thread Tim Franklin
> All of those numbers are straight forwarding with nothing turned on > and 64 > byte packets. That way you get a nice idea of what the CPU can do. They're also, as ever, unidirectional, so you can immediately halve them if your question is "what size pipe can I connect this device to?" As a V

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-14 Thread Tim Franklin
> Some caveats: > > 1. only the ME version supports MPLS, in case you want to overlay an > MPLS TE/VPN network on a Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) ELAN raw Ethernet > service. > 2. If you are using IP multicast, make sure that the Metro Ethernet > provider supports PIM snooping, otherwise (S,G) direct

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Da Shi
Original Message - From: "Bill Stewart" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet > > >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dylan Ebner >> wrote: >>> >>> However, this router also has 2 100

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Tony Varriale
what the CPU can do. tv - Original Message - From: "Bill Stewart" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dylan Ebner wrote: However, this router also has 2 100mb connections from local lans that i

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Holmes,David A wrote: > We use Cisco 3750 L3 switches for Metro Ethernet connectivity. The 3750 > SFPs can run at wire speed up to 1 GiGE. The 3750s are very reliable, > and have good, follow-the-sun technical support in case of problems. > Some caveats: > > 1. onl

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:06:56AM -0700, Holmes,David A wrote: > We use Cisco 3750 L3 switches for Metro Ethernet connectivity. The 3750 > SFPs can run at wire speed up to 1 GiGE. The 3750s are very reliable, > and have good, follow-the-sun technical support in case of problems. If you do not nee

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Holmes,David A
, emulating a 1993-style Ethernet hub. -Original Message- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:43 PM To: Jeffrey Negro Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Jeffrey Negro wrote: > In our case I believe

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Dennis Burgess
http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:13 PM To: frnk...@iname.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org; 'Bill Stewart' Subject: Re: Router for

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Dennis Burgess
12, 2010 8:42 PM To: Dennis Burgess Cc: Jeffrey Negro; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet Yes, but, according to the Mikrotik web site they appear to be obsolete and incapable of routing IPv6. Owen On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > a PowerRouter at http://

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 13, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > On 13 April 2010 00:12, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I stand corrected on the Mikrotik... Apparently, while not well documented, >> they >> do, indeed support IPv6 and their Wiki even includes tunnel configuration >> information. >> >> Apologies to Mi

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-13 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 13 April 2010 00:12, Owen DeLong wrote: > I stand corrected on the Mikrotik... Apparently, while not well documented, > they > do, indeed support IPv6 and their Wiki even includes tunnel configuration > information. > > Apologies to Mikrotik (and some encouragement to add this to your main-lin

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Jeffrey Negro wrote: In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes and a lines of ACL. Do you think the routing protocols are your largest resource usage in your scenario, or is it also just simple routing as well? Get a used 3550 or a new 3400ME or so

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Owen DeLong
o: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dylan Ebner > wrote: >> However, this router also has 2 100mb connections from local lans that it > is also terminiating. >> For our 100mb metro e connections we use 3845s

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Frank Bulk
We run a 3845 at over 300 Mbps and it's less than 50% CPUmost times less than 30%. No BGP, just OSPF. Frank -Original Message- From: Bill Stewart [mailto:nonobvi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:27 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet O

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Owen DeLong
Yes, but, according to the Mikrotik web site they appear to be obsolete and incapable of routing IPv6. Owen On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > a PowerRouter at http://www.mikrotikrouter.com can handle several > hundred meg without issues. > > ---

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Franck Martin
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Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Jeffrey Negro wrote: In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes and a lines of ACL. Do you think the routing protocols are your largest resource usage in your scenario, or is it also just simple routing as well? If your needs are simple IP routing +

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Dylan Ebner
ltingradiologists.com<http://www.consultingradiologists.com> From: Jeffrey Negro [mailto:jne...@billtrust.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:26 PM To: Dylan Ebner Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Router for Metro Ethernet In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes a

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Jason Gurtz
> question is about hardware. Can I assume that I can use something like a > Cisco 2000 series router with two built in fast/gig ethernet ports, > without a WIC? For Cisco, check out the ME3400 series of switches. Be sure to look at the IOS licensing carefully to see if the features you need are

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Kevin Loch
Jeffrey Negro wrote: In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes and a lines of ACL. In that case a linux/FreeBSD router would work great. - Kevin

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Bill Stewart
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dylan Ebner wrote: > However, this router also has 2 100mb connections from local lans that it is > also terminiating. > For our 100mb metro e connections we use 3845s. The 100 mb service terminates > into NM-GEs, which have a faster throughput than the hwics.

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Jeffrey Negro
In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes and a lines of ACL. Do you think the routing protocols are your largest resource usage in your scenario, or is it also just simple routing as well? Jeffrey Negro, Network Engineer Billtrust - Improving Your Billing, Improving Your

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 05:55:29PM +, Dylan Ebner wrote: > also terminiating. For our 100mb metro e connections we use > 3845s. The 100 mb service terminates into NM-GEs, which have a FWIW, we made the mistake of going for 3825s on a 50Mb/s policed GigE. Running GRE/IPSec (AIM-VPN'd) and QoS,

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Dylan Ebner
We use metro E for our WAN and our internet access delivery. The 2600 series routers do not have enough horsepower to do a 40 Mb connection and eigrp. The 2811 can do 40 mb and eigrp but they start to have difficulty when you add in inspection or large ACLs. We just last week turned a 40mb metro

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
Jeffrey, We have deployed metro Ethernet in our network... some things to consider: 1) Is metro Ethernet available end to end, if not will you utilize MPLS? 2) We've deployed Juniper EX3200s, Cisco has great solutions as well... for example 2800 series router. We use Cisco as well. 3) Metro Ethe

RE: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
a PowerRouter at http://www.mikrotikrouter.com can handle several hundred meg without issues. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Servi