Re: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-05 Thread Justin Shore
Phil Vandry wrote: On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 11:54:46AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: The magic keyword: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA. [snip description on how to reject during DATA phase] Unfortunately there is also a side-effect, partially, one has to have all inbound servers use this trick, and it

RE: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-05 Thread Skywing
I think the problem that was being raised here was that past the DATA phase, if one recipient is going to receive the message and another is going to reject it, you have lost the ability to communicate this back to the sender (at least without an NDR). Thus the problem of mails disappearing

Re: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-05 Thread Jean-François Mezei
one note about whether to filter at receiving SMTP server or later. The receiving SMTP server is the one that has the conversation with the sender. Rejecting mail from servers having an un-backtranslatable IP is best done right away by the receiving server right after the HELO command by issuing

Re: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-05 Thread Justin Shore
Jean-François Mezei wrote: Blocking messages as early as possible also greatly reduces the load on your system, disk storage requirements etc. Rejecting during the SMTP dialog but before you signal that you've accepted the DATA output also also pushes the responsibility for sending a DSN to

REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-01 Thread Jeroen Massar
Chris Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It is because, if someone reports (by telephone, IRC or IRL) that he sent an email and I did not receive it, I regard as VERY IMPORTANT to be able to check the spam folder (with a search tool, not by hand) and go back to him saying No, we really did not

Re: REJECT-ON-SMTP-DATA (Re: Mail Server best practices - was: Pandora's Box of new TLDs)

2008-07-01 Thread Justin Shore
Chris Owen wrote: The lack of a spam folder is one of the problems with such a solution. Having a middle ground quarantine is actually quite nice. However, the biggest problem is these solutions are global in nature. We let individual customers considerable control over the process. They