Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 00:59:55 EDT, Andrew D Kirch said: correct regarding firearms, without recognizing the basic right to protect human life against criminals and despots, there are no other rights (as a criminal and despot will take those rights with impunity). Nice try, but the human right

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Well, the operational concern is... various governments have lately shown a trend of disconnecting their countries' networks. UN action is unlikely to help; they are too delayed, and there is a lack of enforcement power - symbolic

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Andrew Kirch
On 6/6/2011 11:29 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Well, the operational concern is... various governments have lately shown a trend of disconnecting their countries' networks. UN action is unlikely to help; they are too delayed, and there

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread George Herbert
As much as I admire a good pointless wide-ranging political and human rights flame-war, this is not even vaguely on topic for NANOG, and everyone posting content here on this should be ashamed of themselves. Free speech is a wonderful thing to have, but that is not a mandatory requirement that

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Joly MacFie
+1 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:33 AM, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote: There's a significant difference between Internet access and Internet service. I have access to the roads. But that doesn't magically get me vehicular transportation from place A to place B. I need to buy a bus

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net - PLONK What a moron admins? Warning? hello? The admins need to warn a poster before a reader can put him in their killfile? Wow; that would've been a handy rule for me back in '06. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R.

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Well, the operational concern is... that if you config an ACL you might be accused and brought to trial for crimes against humanity. -Hank

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Well, the operational concern is... that if you config an ACL you might be accused and brought to trial for

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Bryan Fields
On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any* operational implications, but every operator to see this was immediately worried. I figure it warrants a discussion. This is

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread John Peach
On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any* operational implications, but every operator

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Bryan Fields
On 6/5/2011 20:44, John Peach wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any*

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Bryan Fields
On 6/5/2011 20:44, John Peach wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any*

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:48:56 EDT, Bryan Fields said: On 6/5/2011 20:44, John Peach wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote: This is the same organization that says there is no basic human right to keep and bear arms. They have no standing to

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
On 6/5/2011 8:11 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any* operational implications, but every operator to see this was immediately worried. I

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
On 6/5/2011 8:44 PM, John Peach wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fieldsbr...@bryanfields.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any* operational

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
On 6/5/2011 10:11 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:48:56 EDT, Bryan Fields said: On 6/5/2011 20:44, John Peach wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:11:21 -0400 Bryan Fieldsbr...@bryanfields.net wrote: This is the same organization that says there is no basic human right to

Re: (OT) UN declares Internet access a human right

2011-06-05 Thread JC Dill
On 05/06/11 9:59 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote: On 6/5/2011 8:11 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: On 6/5/2011 19:39, Gadi Evron wrote: The title is misleading, as this is more about denying access. But this is still quite interesting. I don't think this has *any* operational implications, but every