On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:07 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for
amazon's IP space.
I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks
doing it.
Being
On 17 Sep 2008, at 18:32, David Ulevitch wrote:
At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for amazon's
IP space.
I have a customer that sells online, and is dropping stuff from ec2
today due to abuse.
Andy
It exists but not in bgp form - http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/
Dont Route Or Peer
srs
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Skywing wrote:
>>
>> Putting things in the automated bogon feeds (e.g. Team Cymru) that are not
>> strictly bogons (
day, September 17, 2008 11:27 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
>
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:34:22 Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> >> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> >&g
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, David Ulevitch wrote:
Reputation based on src_addr is /so/ 2005. ASN has a few more legs
perhaps... but...
All the growth in Internet-connected compute clouds (EC2, AppNexus, GoGrid,
etc.) makes any system based around IP reputation decidedly less useful.
At the end of
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 16:53:35 Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
> > Some people would really like email to be as reliable as possible, even
> > if that means they have to wade through a lot of spam.
>
> By what twisted logic can a system where desired email is found when "
> they have to wa
Some people would really like email to be as reliable as possible, even if
that means they have to wade through a lot of spam.
By what twisted logic can a system where desired email is found when "
they have to wade through a lot of spam"?
Have you ever inadvertently deleted a desired item
David Schwartz wrote:
>> I occasionally get in to an argument with a customer who is trying to
>> get mail from someone after a spam run came out of a google mail server
>> and landed it on a DNSBL. The argument presented to me always boils down
>> to "Google could never do anything wrong" or "Goog
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for amazon's IP
space.
I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks doing
it.
Being big does not guarantee you ability to do Bad Things
> I occasionally get in to an argument with a customer who is trying to
> get mail from someone after a spam run came out of a google mail server
> and landed it on a DNSBL. The argument presented to me always boils down
> to "Google could never do anything wrong" or "Google is too big to do
> any
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> How about providing some open-source intelligence in a centralized and
>> machine-parsable fashion (perhaps with community input of intel even)
>> which would allow better decsions to be made
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>> How about providing some open-source intelligence in a centralized and
>> machine-parsable fashion (perhaps with community input of intel even)
>> which would allow better decs
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The point made by Christopher Morrow is well taken:
>> There's the additional issue of allowing a third party to
>>manage/traffic-engineer inside your network which might upset some
>>operations folks. If you can build a list
Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:34:22 Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
>>> At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for amazon's
>>> IP space.
>
>> I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:34:22 Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
> > At the end of the day, nobody is going to drop packets for amazon's
> > IP space.
> I'm afraid reality disagrees with you - there already are networks
> doing it.
Indeed. Go
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Skywing wrote:
Putting things in the automated bogon feeds (e.g. Team Cymru) that are not
strictly bogons (unallocated addresses) is likely to very quickly
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 12:55:49 Skywing wrote:
>> Lamar Owen Wrote:
>> Seems to me getting that IP space on a bogon list could be enough to make a
>> serious dent.
> Putting things in the automated bogon feeds (e.g. Team Cymru) that are not
> strictly bogons (unallocated addresses) is like
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:32 PM, David Ulevitch wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
How about providing some open-source intelligence in a centralized
and
machine-parsable fashion (perhaps with community input of intel even)
which would allow better decsions to be made?
Reputation based on src_add
Christopher Morrow wrote:
How about providing some open-source intelligence in a centralized and
machine-parsable fashion (perhaps with community input of intel even)
which would allow better decsions to be made?
Reputation based on src_addr is /so/ 2005. ASN has a few more legs
perhaps... b
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Christopher Morrow
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Skywing wrote:
>>>
>>> Putting things in the automated bogon feeds (e.g. Team Cymru) that are not
>>> strictly bogons (unal
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Skywing wrote:
>>
>> Putting things in the automated bogon feeds (e.g. Team Cymru) that are not
>> strictly bogons (unallocated addresses) is likely to very quickly erode
>> trust in those services, if tha
; BGP feed for anyone who wants it,
but the Internet is not ready for that.
Gadi.
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To: nanog@nanog.org
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nesday, September 17, 2008 09:26
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: Now Only 1 Upstream
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:36:20 *Hobbit* wrote:
>you expect them to apply a null route?
>
> Well, I *have* been talking somewhat idealistically here and
> there with this
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:36:20 *Hobbit* wrote:
>you expect them to apply a null route?
>
> Well, I *have* been talking somewhat idealistically here and
> there with this crop of questions, but frankly I thought in the
> 2 or 3 years I was ignoring the list that the NETWORK OPERATORS
> os
Looks like PIE got themselves a /22 in spamhaus -
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL67906
_quote__
206.223.144.0/22 is listed on the Spamhaus Block List (SBL)
17-Sep-2008 09:57 GMT | SR04
Pacific Internet Exchange LLC. NT Technology ; nttec.com
http://cidr-report.
On 16/09/2008, at 10:17 PM, *Hobbit* wrote:
So in cases like this where the community appears to agree that
there's
a consistently bad apple, what's preventing everyone from simply
nullrouting the netblocks in question and imposing the death penalty?
Dunno - but something did occur to me th
you expect them to apply a null route?
Well, I *have* been talking somewhat idealistically here and
there with this crop of questions, but frankly I thought in the
2 or 3 years I was ignoring the list that the NETWORK OPERATORS
ostensibly in custody of the intertubes would have pulled things
to
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:47:26 -, *Hobbit* said:
> So in cases like this where the community appears to agree that there's
> a consistently bad apple, what's preventing everyone from simply
"what's preventing everyone"?
Geez Hobbit, I *know* you've been around long enough to know better than th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (*Hobbit*) writes:
> So in cases like this where the community appears to agree that there's
> a consistently bad apple, what's preventing everyone from simply
> nullrouting the netblocks in question and imposing the death penalty?
http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/ seems to have atr
So in cases like this where the community appears to agree that there's
a consistently bad apple, what's preventing everyone from simply
nullrouting the netblocks in question and imposing the death penalty?
Sorry if this seems naive, but if no legitimate purpose is shown it
seems like the obvious
On Sep 16, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
By the way, a lot of folks are watching all domains registered
within Atrivo/Intercage IP address space every day. Here's a few
for you to decide -- and they have been registered only in the past
few days:
undaground.biz
pillshere.net
ukrnic.inf
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Paul Ferguson wrote:
In any event, the badness is still there. Lots of it.
Not according to this:
http://www.domainnews.com/en/general/estdomains-denies-links-to-malware-distribution.html
"The company also has a reliable ally in its battle against malware in a
face of In
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- -- "Paul Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Cogent is keeping tabs of the Intercage/Atrivo situation in ticket
>HD000789038. Be sure to e-mail or call them referencing that
>number with any information you may have to share.
>
>AboveNet's ticket
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>Cogent is keeping tabs of the Intercage/Atrivo situation in ticket
>HD000789038. Be sure to e-mail or call them referencing that
>number with any information you may have to share.
>
>AboveNet's ticket
Paul,
Cogent is keeping tabs of the Intercage/Atrivo situation in ticket
HD000789038. Be sure to e-mail or call them referencing that
number with any information you may have to share.
AboveNet's ticket auto-responder is broken.
I've been unable to get a response out of NTT (AS 2914).
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