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You might check this alertmap: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php They got some API: https://hisz.rsoe.hu/ https://hisz.rsoe.hu/ws/ Common Alerting Protocol Version 1.2 http://docs.oasis-open.org/emergency/cap/v1.2/CAP-v1.2-os.html -- Rafał Fitt

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: This seriously seems like something that needs formal standardization. No one is paying me to work on this, so I don't plan to spend time doing free tutorials for Amazon, Apple and Google program managers; or money flying to standards meetings

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On Tuesday, 12 March, 2019 15:51, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >Would you be super pissed if you died for real because Overwatch >suppressed a tornado or other severe weather alert relevant to >your location? Serious question here. Seeing as you are dead, I doubt that you could be super

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On 3/12/19 5:34 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:04 PM Michael Thomas > wrote: > On 3/12/19 3:39 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> I'd prefer if my computer's BIOS didn't talk to the network at all, that being >> far more likely to open a path for malware

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:04 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > On 3/12/19 3:39 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> I'd prefer if my computer's BIOS didn't talk to the network at all, that being >> far more likely to open a path for malware than to save me from a tornado. >> Some things just have "bad idea"

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On 3/12/19 4:52 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: What's with perpetuating the thought that it needs to be in the bios? It's just a normal app on a normal computer like Biff. I know, after working with network engineers in too many meetings. As I keep

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: What's with perpetuating the thought that it needs to be in the bios? It's just a normal app on a normal computer like Biff. I know, after working with network engineers in too many meetings. As I keep repeating, for smart devices (Smart TVs, Smart

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Clayton Zekelman wrote: It's very fortunate that nobody was seriously injured after that total failure of the process. The people who run this stuff need to understand that a false alert can be very dangerous. I agree lack of training and funding for local emergency

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On 3/12/19 3:39 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:50 PM > wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:45:23 -0700, William Herrin said: > > In many cases, only the foreground app has a clear understanding of the > > state of the screen. Not the OS and

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:50 PM wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:45:23 -0700, William Herrin said: > > In many cases, only the foreground app has a clear understanding of the > > state of the screen. Not the OS and definitely not the hardware platform. > > I'd be super pissed if I died in

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To be fair, I've used the rogue BIOS excuse in quite a few Overwatch matches, and nobody buys it. So even if it did happen at this point, nobody would believe you. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:47 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:57 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > > Yes, that's

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It's very fortunate that nobody was seriously injured after that total failure of the process. The people who run this stuff need to understand that a false alert can be very dangerous. At 06:19 PM 12/03/2019, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas But if

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--- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas But if you're about to be incinerated in real life -- Paradise -- you want the alert. -- So you can toss your children in the storm drain?

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[JL] Going onto to hardware like a smart TV will still result in lower penetration that if you went to the app layer that is where attention time is spent (which may be on a laptop or non-cellular-connected tablet or a game console). I should also mention the desktop Windows and Linux

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:45:23 -0700, William Herrin said: > In many cases, only the foreground app has a clear understanding of the > state of the screen. Not the OS and definitely not the hardware platform. > I'd be super pissed if I died in Overwatch because the BIOS tried to take > over the

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Livingood, Jason wrote: [JL] Going onto to hardware like a smart TV will still result in lower penetration that if you went to the app layer that is where attention time is spent (which may be on a laptop or non-cellular-connected tablet or a game console). That's the

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On 3/12/19 1:45 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:57 AM Michael Thomas > wrote: > Yes, that's exactly my point: it should just be a requirement of the > hardware platform to implement this. Just like e911. Enumerating the > types of devices that are

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:57 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > Yes, that's exactly my point: it should just be a requirement of the > hardware platform to implement this. Just like e911. Enumerating the > types of devices that are required to implement this is way easier than > enumerating the types of

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: All the government needs to do is set up the server infrastructure to source the alerts. In the U.S., the IPAWS server infrastructure was set up in 2012. Akamai servers on many ISP networks carry emergency alert CAP messages. However, the smart

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On 3/11/19 8:24 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: It seems to me that it would be much better to use the standards we already have to deliver text, voice and video, and just make it a requirement that some list of devices must be able to listen for these

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On 3/11/19, 11:26 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Sean Donelan" wrote: I think you are correct, Netflix and Hulu are at the wrong layer. Netflix and Hulu don't control the smart TVs and smart speakers ecosystems used to present their content. Amazon Alexa, Apple Siri and Google Assistant

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Scott Fisher wrote: It would be nice if someone from the E911 space could add their 2cents on this. Anyone from Intrado/West-Corp on the list? See the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System for 911 Governance and Accountability (PS Docket No. 14-193) and Improving 911

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Sean Donelan wrote: Apple has announced its going to announce something on March 26. I wonder if any reporters will ask if the new Apple TV supports emergency alerts? Ugh, typo. March 25 at 10 a.m. PDT Hopefully, Tim Apple will forgive me :-) I still want a reporter

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Michael Thomas wrote: It seems to me that it would be much better to use the standards we already have to deliver text, voice and video, and just make it a requirement that some list of devices must be able to listen for these announcements and act accordingly. It's not

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On 3/11/19 6:57 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:25 PM Michael Thomas > wrote: > This entire thing strikes me as a horrible layering violation. Why on > earth should alerts be required to dogleg through content providers? > > It seems to me that it would

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:25 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > This entire thing strikes me as a horrible layering violation. Why on > earth should alerts be required to dogleg through content providers? > > It seems to me that it would be much better to use the standards we > already have to deliver

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On 3/11/19 7:02 AM, Livingood, Jason wrote: +1 to Rich's note: I agree we need to be careful not to extrapolate our experiences/devices/preferences to the average person. Emergency alerts serve a valuable purpose, especially when something like a wild fire or tornado or whatever is

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, William Herrin wrote: > > My cell phone woke me up in the middle of the night during a recent landline > > outage because the county felt the need to let me know that I wouldn't be > > able to call 911 if, you know, I

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It would be nice if someone from the E911 space could add their 2cents on this. Anyone from Intrado/West-Corp on the list? Thanks, Scott On 3/11/19 1:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, William Herrin wrote: >> My cell phone woke me up in the middle of the night during a recent >>

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, William Herrin wrote: My cell phone woke me up in the middle of the night during a recent landline outage because the county felt the need to let me know that I wouldn't be able to call 911 if, you know, I happened to need to call 911. Thanks guys. Thanks a lot. And I can't

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Rich Kulawiec wrote: This is why the service(s) should use confirmed opt-in on a per-device basis and offer sufficient granularity that alerts are only sent to the people who need/want them on the devices they need/want them on. Other than nerds, which means people on the

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:22 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > "More and more people are opting out of the traditional television > services," said Gregory Touhill, a cybersecurity expert who served at the > Department of Homeland security and was the first-ever Federal Chief > Information Security

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There is the other legal issues. Adv geolocation isnt always correct and in some cases way off. If it is wrong no big deal. If emerg alert geolocation is wrong you can open yourself up to huge legal action. On March 9, 2019 3:27:18 PM EST, Seth Mattinen wrote: >On 3/9/19 12:03 PM, Sean

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+1 to Rich's note: I agree we need to be careful not to extrapolate our experiences/devices/preferences to the average person. Emergency alerts serve a valuable purpose, especially when something like a wild fire or tornado or whatever is approaching and an extra few seconds or a minute of

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> Just wait until your connected home speakers, smart smoke detector, smart > refrigerator, smart tv, cell phone, IP streaming box, satellite receiver, > cable box, home security panel and your Fitbit all go off warning you > of the cancellation of an Amber alert at 1:30am, because the good folks

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On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, Scott Weeks wrote: No, it is overreach and Doing The Wrong Thing (AKA we do evil now even though we said we wouldn't in the beginning) for businesses as well. There is weird business feedback loop between proprietary app creators and smart device platform providers.

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--- beec...@beecher.cc wrote: From: Tom Beecher Business ask to create near real time, location aware notification system to increase user engagement and refine ad tracking : "That's a a great idea, we can do that!" Government ask to create near real time, location aware notification system

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A side point: On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 02:04:33PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: > Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA), i.e., mobile phone alerts, are less than 10 > years old. And mostly on the high-end expensive cell phones and the most > expensive carriers. People on NANOG may use mostly expensive

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I'm old. I was online @MIT-AI the night the pentagon (probably DISA?) started broadcasting messages that basically the ARPAnet was going down for "emergency testing" blah blah. I thought it was a prank so just kept working. Another message or two and it all went dead, CONNECTION LOST Couldn't

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Business ask to create near real time, location aware notification system to increase user engagement and refine ad tracking : "That's a a great idea, we can do that!" Government ask to create near real time, location aware notification system for public safety warnings : "THAT IS A BRIDGE TOO

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 3/9/19 12:03 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Automatically geo-locating indoor smart speakers and smart TVs is more difficult, but if advertisers can get geolocation information from AT, Amazon, Apple, Google, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc; why can't

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I personally believe apps should not be emitting generic emergency alerts. Devices should - ex TV, mobile phone, etc. if one is watching Hulu, MLB, NFL, or any other app it should not matter as long as device is notifying the user. /Shivaram ::Sent from my mobile device:: > On Mar 9, 2019, at

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On 3/9/19 12:03 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Automatically geo-locating indoor smart speakers and smart TVs is more difficult, but if advertisers can get geolocation information from AT, Amazon, Apple, Google, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc; why can't emergency alerts? There's no technical

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, Brandon Martin wrote: Any reason the ISP has to be directly involved in this? The relevant government organization originating the alert could easily have a service to make that information available to the public via some standard API (maybe they do)? ISPs with Akamai

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On Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:14:27 -0500, Brandon Martin said: > I think the solution to this is perhaps maybe that network operators > could "help" by building in some useful features to their network > without explicitly supporting EAS or otherwise. After all, we (or at > least most of us)

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On 3/9/19 2:04 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Cell phones have ATIS and 3GPP standard for emergency alerts. Cable set-top boxes have SCTE standards for emergency alerts. TVs with antennas have ATSC standards for emergency alerts.  Analog radio still relies on broadcasters transmitting emergency

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2019, Matt Erculiani wrote: The world is evolving and I don't think interrupting streaming is necessary given all the other ways there are to alert a population. The headline: TLDR; Technology changes, so should emergency alerts. Think ahead to 2029. The long story:

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I think the point is they should have built a system that doesn't need to be blocked - it should always effectively and appropriately deliver timely and relevant alert messages. As taxpayers and citizens, we deserve better. At 11:32 PM 08/03/2019, Peter Kristolaitis wrote: It can be

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ld Netflix and Hulu give you emergency alerts? It can be blocked, FYI. Just... not as easily as it should be. On Android, if you remove the CellBroadcastReceiver service, the phone no longer listens for the alerts. I rooted my phone specifically to be able to do this after the alerting system

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It can be blocked, FYI.  Just... not as easily as it should be. On Android, if you remove the CellBroadcastReceiver service, the phone no longer listens for the alerts. I rooted my phone specifically to be able to do this after the alerting system rolled out in Canada.  The test was bad

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On 3/8/19 2:22 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/tech/emergency-alert-netflix-hulu-streaming/index.html New York (CNN Business) The federal emergency alert program was designed decades ago to interrupt your TV show or radio station and warn about impending danger —

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Software has bugs. If this happens to you (or anyone else), a hard power reset of your mobile phone will clear up the problem. I have not figured out what causes the repeating duplicate alerts. I've asked FEMA and some engineers at a cellular carrier. It seems to be a "known problem." But I

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I’ve had issues with the amber alerts repeating or coming in from adjacent states because “reasons”. When they repeat for days/hours ugh. I do agree most people have devices. If there is a reasonable API method to fetch them then great. Sent from my iCar > On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:51 PM,

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NO!! But, I would not be opposed to some type of app on the boxes that support it, one that can be dismissed or controlled by the user.   -Original message- From:Sean Donelan Sent:Fri 03-08-2019 04:22 pm Subject:Should Netflix and Hulu give you emergency alerts? To:nanog@nanog.org;

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Absolutely, we need public emergency alerting. What we don't need is every alert to go out mandatory highest level sound the klaxon, can't be blocked, even when it's an "all clear" cancelling a previous alert, and is being sent in the middle of the night. That's the system that has been

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Canada made a lot of improvements with its alert implementation. It got to see all the things the U.S. did wrong. Unfortuantely, Canada also copied some wrong lessons from the the U.S. version. South Korea probably has the most ludicrous emergency alerts in the world. While improvements are

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Just wait until your connected home speakers, smart smoke detector, smart refrigerator, smart tv, cell phone, IP streaming box, satellite receiver, cable box, home security panel and your Fitbit all go off warning you of the cancellation of an Amber alert at 1:30am, because the good folks

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I don’t care if Aliens are invading or a blackhole is swallowing our sun, do not... I repeat, do not interrupt me watching GoT’s on HBOGo! -John > On Mar 8, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG > wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:36 PM Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> No. Please no.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:36 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > No. Please no. We need less regulation. Not more. > > VoIP started out the same way. Very simple to start offering voip. Worked > well. Then the government got involved. Now it’s a mess of requirements, >

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;Matt Erculiani" To: "Sean Donelan" Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 4:31:37 PM Subject: Re: Should Netflix and Hulu give you emergency alerts? Sean I think the cellular emergency alert systems already in place have satisfied this need or should

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What specific regulations do you feel were onerous and unnecessary with respect to VOIP? (This is a legitimate question, not a trolling attempt. ) On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 5:36 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > No. Please no. We need less regulation. Not more. > > VoIP

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On 3/8/19 2:32 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: No. Please no. We need less regulation. Not more. VoIP started out the same way. Very simple to start offering voip. Worked well. Then the government got involved. Now it’s a mess of requirements, warnings and reporting. I was there developing service

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No. Please no. We need less regulation. Not more. VoIP started out the same way. Very simple to start offering voip. Worked well. Then the government got involved. Now it’s a mess of requirements, warnings and reporting. > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:22 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > > >

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Sean I think the cellular emergency alert systems already in place have satisfied this need or should be implemented before forcing streaming services to alter their platforms. Plus they allow the user the ability to disable them if they so choose. If they have the alerts disabled and miss

Should Netflix and Hulu give you emergency alerts?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/tech/emergency-alert-netflix-hulu-streaming/index.html New York (CNN Business) The federal emergency alert program was designed decades ago to interrupt your TV show or radio station and warn about impending danger — from severe weather events to acts of war.