On 1/Apr/20 21:46, Owen DeLong wrote:
> I don’t pretend to have a global view. I have my own perspective. I do my best
> to understand perspectives of others. Claiming to be able to speak from a
> global
> view is beyond my abilities. I am truly impressed that you are able to do so.
>
> Please
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 04:46 , Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 31/Mar/20 23:22, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> From my perspective, anyone born in this century pretty much qualifies as
>> a kid at this point. Maybe even the last 3-4 years of the previous one.
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> To a great extent, yes. But I'd say
On 31/Mar/20 23:22, Owen DeLong wrote:
> From my perspective, anyone born in this century pretty much qualifies as
> a kid at this point. Maybe even the last 3-4 years of the previous one.
To a great extent, yes. But I'd say the last 15 years have been very
telling.
> Turning consumers into
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 03:47 , Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 23/Mar/20 22:54, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> That hasn’t been my observation at any of the local sports bars. I
>> actually have little to no interest in live sport (except maybe the
>> occasional curling match, yeah, I’m not just
On 23/Mar/20 22:54, Owen DeLong wrote:
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> That hasn’t been my observation at any of the local sports bars. I
> actually have little to no interest in live sport (except maybe the
> occasional curling match, yeah, I’m not just old, I’m odd).
I think we each need to define what we mean by "the
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:14 , Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 23/Mar/20 05:51, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> How do you see that happening? Are people going to stop wanting to watch
>> live,
>> or are teams going to somehow play asynchronously (e.g. Lakers vs. Celtics,
>> the Lakers play on
king everywhere
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> -Aaron
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> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org
<mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:41 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org
On Monday, 23 March, 2020 04:19, Alexandre Petrescu
wrote:
> ... like 'remote surgery' needs to transmit haptic feedback effect across
> long distances.
Personally, if I were asked to give consent for surgery and it contained a risk
"the communications uses the Internet for transport and
On 23/Mar/20 12:18, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
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> I should abstain from writing about this but I think the situation of
> virus with a crown version year 2020 is not yet understood on business.
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> There are signs business would work as before: business challenges
> that we know worked are now
On 23/Mar/20 05:51, Owen DeLong wrote:
> How do you see that happening? Are people going to stop wanting to watch live,
> or are teams going to somehow play asynchronously (e.g. Lakers vs. Celtics,
> the Lakers play on November 5 at 6 PM and the Celtics play on November 8
> at 11 AM)?
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part.
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> Alex, LF/HF 3
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> > Also, I wonder how much money would be lost by big pipe providers with
> multicast working everywhere
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> > -Aaron
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Alex
: Sunday traffic curiosity
Le 22/03/2020 à 21:31, Nick Hilliard a écrit :
Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote on 22/03/2020 19:17:
What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
there wasn't any problem with inter-domain multicast that couldn't be
resolved by handing over to level
On 23/Mar/20 05:05, Aaron Gould wrote:
> I can see it now Business driver that moved the world towards multicast
> 2020 Coronavirus
Hehe, the Coronavirus has only accelerated and amplified what was
already coming - the new economy.
You're constantly hearing about "changing business
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> But that’s already happening. All big content providers are doing just
> that. They even sponsor you the appliance(s) to make more money and save on
> transit costs ;)
Noted; this was a comment on what's already the case, not a proposal for
how to address it instead. Apologies as I used
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 15:49 , Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 23/Mar/20 00:19, Randy Bush wrote:
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>> add to that it is the TV model in a VOD world. works for sports, maybe,
>> not for netflix
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> Agreed - on-demand is the new economy, and sport is the single thing
> still propping up
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 13:41 , Alexandre Petrescu
> wrote:
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> Le 22/03/2020 à 21:31, Nick Hilliard a écrit :
>> Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote on 22/03/2020 19:17:
>>> What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
>>
>> there wasn't any problem with inter-domain
I know Facebook live had some congestion/capacity issues in some geographical
regions this AM.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
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> Fellow NANOGers,
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> Not a big deal by any means, but for those of you who have traffic data, I’m
> curious what
Of Alexandre Petrescu
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:41 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Sunday traffic curiosity
Le 22/03/2020 à 21:31, Nick Hilliard a écrit :
> Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote on 22/03/2020 19:17:
>> What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get
Hugo,
> On 23 Mar 2020, at 01:32, Hugo Slabbert wrote:
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> I think that's the thing:
> Drop cache boxes inside eyeball networks; fill the caches during off-peak;
> unicast from the cache boxes inside the eyeball provider's network to
> subscribers. Do a single stream from source to each
I think that's the thing:
Drop cache boxes inside eyeball networks; fill the caches during off-peak;
unicast from the cache boxes inside the eyeball provider's network to
subscribers. Do a single stream from source to each "replication point"
(cache box) rather than a stream per ultimate receiver
On 23/Mar/20 00:19, Randy Bush wrote:
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> add to that it is the TV model in a VOD world. works for sports, maybe,
> not for netflix
Agreed - on-demand is the new economy, and sport is the single thing
still propping up the old economy.
When sport eventually makes into the new world, linear
On 22/Mar/20 23:36, Valdis Kl ē tnieks wrote:
> It failed to scale for some of the exact same reasons QoS failed to scale -
> what works inside one administrative domain doesn't work once it crosses
> domain
> boundaries.
This, for me, is one of the biggest reasons I feel inter-AS Multicast
> It failed to scale for some of the exact same reasons QoS failed to
> scale - what works inside one administrative domain doesn't work once
> it crosses domain boundaries.
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> Plus, there's a lot more state to keep - if you think spanning tree
> gets ugly if the tree gets too big, think about
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:17:59 -0600, Grant Taylor via NANOG said:
> As someone who 1) wasn't around during the last Internet scale foray
> into multicast and 2) working with multicast in a closed environment,
> I'm curios:
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> What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John Kristoff wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:17:59 +
> Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
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> > What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
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> There are about 20 years of archives to weed through,
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most of the challenges, in particular
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 22:43, Alexandre Petrescu
wrote:
> On another hand, link-local multicast does seem to work ok, at least
> with IPv6. The problem it solves there is not related to the width of
> the pipe, but more to resistance against 'storms' that were witnessed
> during ARP storms. I
Le 22/03/2020 à 21:31, Nick Hilliard a écrit :
Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote on 22/03/2020 19:17:
What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
there wasn't any problem with inter-domain multicast that couldn't be
resolved by handing over to level 3 engineering
Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote on 22/03/2020 19:17:
What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
there wasn't any problem with inter-domain multicast that couldn't be
resolved by handing over to level 3 engineering and the vendor's support
escalation team.
But
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:17:59 +
Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
There are about 20 years of archives to weed through, and some of our
friends are still trying to make this happen. I expect someone (Hi
Lenny) to appear
On 22/Mar/20 20:57, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Fellow NANOGers,
>
> Not a big deal by any means, but for those of you who have traffic data, I’m
> curious what Sunday morning looked like as compared to other Sundays. Sure,
> Netflix and similar companies have no doubt seen traffic increase, but
We didn't really see a noticeable inbound or outbound traffic change.
But we also streamed and had 80+ people watching online, so there was
absolutely a traffic shift.
Still, Sunday Mornings are low traffic periods normally anyway, so the
overall traffic "dent" was minimal.
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:20, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> What was wrong with Internet scale multicast? Why did it get abandoned?
It is flow based routing, we do not have a solution to store and
lookup large amount of flows.
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On 3/22/20 1:11 PM, John Kristoff wrote:
Owen DeLong wrote:
Maybe it’s time to revisit inter-domain multicast?
Uhmm... no thank you. :-)
As someone who 1) wasn't around during the last Internet scale foray
into multicast and 2) working with multicast in a closed environment,
I'm curios:
We are still far away from apocalypse to realistically think about
inter-domain multicast.
And even if we were ..
On 3/22/20 8:08 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Maybe it’s time to revisit inter-domain multicast?
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:57 , Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
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>> Fellow
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:08:24 +
Owen DeLong wrote:
> Maybe it’s time to revisit inter-domain multicast?
Uhmm... no thank you. :-)
John
Maybe it’s time to revisit inter-domain multicast?
Owen
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:57 , Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
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> Fellow NANOGers,
>
> Not a big deal by any means, but for those of you who have traffic data, I’m
> curious what Sunday morning looked like as compared to other Sundays. Sure,
>
Fellow NANOGers,
Not a big deal by any means, but for those of you who have traffic data, I’m
curious what Sunday morning looked like as compared to other Sundays. Sure,
Netflix and similar companies have no doubt seen traffic increase, but I’m
wondering if an influx of church service
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