Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Christian Kuhtz
: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 On 29 Jun 2007, at 14:24, Donald Stahl wrote: That's the thing .. google's crawlers and search app runs at layer 7, v6 is an addressing system that runs at layer 3. If we'd (the community) got everything right with v6, it wouldn't matter

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:00:36 BST, Alexander Harrowell said: 1. IPv4 address space is a scarce resource and it will soon be exhausted. 2. It hasn't run out already due to various efficiency improvements. 3. These are themselves limited. 4. IPv6, though, will provide abundant address

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Stephen Wilcox
@nanog.org Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 On 29 Jun 2007, at 14:24, Donald Stahl wrote: That's the thing .. google's crawlers and search app runs at layer 7, v6 is an addressing system that runs at layer 3. If we'd (the community) got everything

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Christian Kuhtz
Message- From: Stephen Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:55:06 To:Christian Kuhtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Donald Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED], nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
: nanog@nanog.org Asunto: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Until there's a practical solution for multihoming, this whole discussion is pretty pointless. -- Sent from my BlackBerry. -Original Message- From: Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Jun

RE: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Jamie Bowden
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Oberman Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:15 PM To: Stephen Wilcox Cc: John Curran; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:42:47

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Nicolás Antoniello
steve. To:Donald Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] steve. Cc:nanog@nanog.org steve. Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 steve. steve. steve. steve. steve. On 29 Jun 2007, at 14:24, Donald Stahl wrote: steve. steve. That's the thing .. google's crawlers and search

v6 multihoming (Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6)

2007-06-29 Thread Stephen Wilcox
2007 14:27:33 To:Donald Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 On 29 Jun 2007, at 14:24, Donald Stahl wrote: That's the thing .. google's crawlers and search app runs at layer 7, v6 is an addressing

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread David Conrad
Christian, On Jun 29, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Christian Kuhtz wrote: If you want to emulate IPv4 Given IPv6 is IPv4 with 96 more bits (or, if you prefer 16 more bits from the ISP perspective), why would you assume there is a choice? and destroy the DFZ, I'm not sure what destroy the DFZ

Re: v6 multihoming (Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6)

2007-06-29 Thread Nicolás Antoniello
], Donald Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED], nanog@nanog.org steve. steve. Subject: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 steve. steve. steve. steve. steve. steve. multihoming is simple, you get an address block and route it to your upstreams. steve. steve. steve. steve

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:33:25 EDT, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ said: I'm working on it ... But I think it will be really difficult to capture in a couple of pages what the document try to explain ! The story goes: Richard Feynman, the late Nobel Laureate in physics, was once asked by a Caltech

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Brandon Butterworth
I'm working on it ... But I think it will be really difficult to capture in a couple of pages what the document try to explain ! A. v4 runs out, use v6 or similar B. not run out of v4 The detail of A and B may safely be debated by all for some time as nobody knows what will happen, feel free

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:00:36 BST, Alexander Harrowell said: 1. IPv4 address space is a scarce resource and it will soon be exhausted. 2. It hasn't run out already due to various efficiency improvements. 3. These are themselves limited. 4. IPv6, though, will provide abundant address

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Stephen Wilcox
De: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:25:22 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: nanog@nanog.org Asunto: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 On 27-jun-2007, at 21:08, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread John Curran
: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:25:22 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: nanog@nanog.org Asunto: Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 On 27-jun-2007, at 21:08, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: I've