Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 20:58:17 -0700, Matt Corallo said: > If your goal is to force companies the world over to host domestically, where > they follow local licensing regimes (yes, including censorship, as well as > data > access), it’s highly effective. You missed the point. There's a

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo via NANOG
If your goal is to force companies the world over to host domestically, where they follow local licensing regimes (yes, including censorship, as well as data access), it’s highly effective. Even better, it makes users fail to identify the difference between “google is down because it is

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 12:47:22 -0700, Matt Corallo said: > No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. Not deploying > enough international capacity is absolutely a form or censorship deployed to > great avail - if international sites load too slow, you can skimp on GF >

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 4/1/20 12:47, Matt Corallo wrote: No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. I think you mean baiting, but perhaps not. ;-) -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Thank you for your understanding and your patience and kindness to explain it to us. We really appreciate it. We will keep that in mind and won’t ask this kind of questions again. Thanks again. Pengxiong On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:59 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > I do understand that you mean well,

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
I do understand that you mean well, but do realize that interconnection between the rest of the world and the networks controlled by the Chinese government is a very, very sensitive and often touchy subject. It's also generally true that networks aren't going to disclose terms of commercial

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
> > No one suggested it isn’t censorship, > In fact, some replies suggested it’s more commercial actions. We said it's "likely influenced by commercial decisions", we didn't say censorship is out of the question. We still think censorship is the possible cause, but we run out of methods to verify

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Ca By
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:54 PM Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Sorry we didn’t know this is out of scope. What do you mean by baiting > questions? > This is an operator list. Not an opened research discussion. Take it off the list. We are not very familiar with the peer protocol, > Then pay an expert

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Sorry we didn’t know this is out of scope. What do you mean by baiting questions? We are not very familiar with the peer protocol, so we don’t know what questions can be discussed here or not. We are researches, we just want to dig more to the cause of the slowdown that we observed. And we thought

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. Not deploying enough international capacity is absolutely a form or censorship deployed to great avail - if international sites load too slow, you can skimp on GF appliances! Matt > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:26, Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Many

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Ca By
This topic is out of scope for the list. Please stop emailing these baiting questions. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Hi folks, > > We got plenty of positive responses in our last email regarding China's > slow transnational network. Many are suggesting it is likely

The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Hi folks, We got plenty of positive responses in our last email regarding China's slow transnational network. Many are suggesting it is likely influenced by commercial decisions instead of censorship. It seems like the three Chinese ISPs don't really have enough peering internationally in Asia,