Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Wed Jul 15 16:52:59 > 2009 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:52:44 -0700 > Subject: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy > domain > registrar? > From: Mike Lyon > To: NANOG > >

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread John Levine
>Example: I work for a VoIP provider that sells to large customers. >Their customers sell to smaller customers that want to operate their >own small scale VoIP business. No one 2 or 3 levels down knows who we >are, and the people upstream want it that way. Sure. >Solution? Generic soundi

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread Daryl G. Jurbala
On Jul 16, 2009, at 4:27 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: OTOH, there doesn't seem to be a legitimate long-term use for business purposes. (In my view, the secondary domain market is not legitimate---online advertisers keep it alive to artificially increase conversion rates, essentially defrauding bra

RE: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread Jason Gurtz
> I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one > registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use > a proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy. More food for thought:

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 03:13:26PM -0700, Ray Sanders wrote: > A lot of these places use scare tactics to convince domain buyers that > "privacy" is essential, otherwise one would get spam, telemarketing > calls and junk mail. > > Well, that's partly true, as some companies do scrape whois data

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Mike Lyon: > So the question I have is this: What actual security are these proxy > companies providing to the end-user? You can register domains without alerting your competition that you plan to provide a particular service (which could be guessed based on the domain name). Or a merger is co

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <1b5c1c150907151452k52093694mc8b93538b4707...@mail.gmail.com>, Mike Lyon writes: > Howdy, > > I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one > registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a > proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy.

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Mike Lyon wrote: Howdy, I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy. Now, personally, I would prefer just to get a PO Box and put that address on my do

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Jeremy Hanmer
Not everybody charges for the service. Shop around. On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: I still think it's a huge waste of money. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Ray Sanders < ray.sand...@villagevoicemedia.com> wrote: And that falls right into some of the scare tactic sales pitc

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Mike Lyon
I still think it's a huge waste of money. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Ray Sanders < ray.sand...@villagevoicemedia.com> wrote: > And that falls right into some of the scare tactic sales pitches the > domain registrars use. > > "they can look up your domain and find your home address!" > > He

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Ray Sanders
And that falls right into some of the scare tactic sales pitches the domain registrars use. "they can look up your domain and find your home address!" Heck, even a p.o box could leave someone open to a stalker, if said stalker is determined enough. so yes, I'll concede that point to a certain

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Lyon wrote: I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy. If you're using it for your business, the value is pretty slim. You probably want your b

Re: The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Ray Sanders
My opinion is that it's nothing more than a "value-add" for domain registrars. The domain registration fees these days have razor thin margins. So places like Godaddy and others offer these services to make up for their domains essentially being "loss-leaders". A lot of these places use scare ta

The actual value, from a security standpoint, of using a proxy domain registrar?

2009-07-15 Thread Mike Lyon
Howdy, I am curious what others in the industry think on this topic. When one registers a domain they can put in their real information or they can use a proxy, like Go-Daddy's Domains By Proxy. Now, personally, I would prefer just to get a PO Box and put that address on my domain info instead of