UDP lossage (was: Types of packet modifications allowed for networks)

2008-06-02 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I was reminded by the "packet modifications" thread that it seems that dropping (rather than fragmenting) large UDP packets has become quite the norm, which is unfortunate. We're working on a (popular software) product that sends UDP datagrams (with DF cleared), and it is amazing how small the

Re: Types of packet modifications allowed for networks

2008-06-02 Thread David Conrad
Only the end-to-end principle... Perhaps not relevant, but between any two consenting nodes, there can be severe mangling of headers as long as what comes out the other side looks pretty much the same as what went in. CSLIP is an example of this. Regards, -drc

Re: Types of packet modifications allowed for networks

2008-06-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 31 May 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Jean-François Mezei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like any pointers to good documents that outline what sort of > packet modifications are allowed (in terms of Internet > culture/policies) by networks. > > Notably: > > For a transit network (neither send

Re: Types of packet modifications allowed for networks

2008-06-02 Thread Darryl Ross
Darden, Patrick S. wrote: --packet fragmentation due to inconsistent MTUs and/or bandwidth (e.g. moving from ATM at 150Mbps to a fractional DS3 at 3.088Mbps) MTUs yes, bandwidth no. Bandwidth congestion at the boundary to a slower network will cause buffering and dropped packets, not a fragme

RE: Types of packet modifications allowed for networks

2008-06-02 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
I'm not aware of any hard rules regarding this. I'll include yours below: --packet fragmentation due to inconsistent MTUs and/or bandwidth (e.g. moving from ATM at 150Mbps to a fractional DS3 at 3.088Mbps) --ttl changes from hop to hop --dest ip changes from hop to hop --PAT/NAT changes in last

Types of packet modifications allowed for networks

2008-05-31 Thread Jean-François Mezei
I would like any pointers to good documents that outline what sort of packet modifications are allowed (in terms of Internet culture/policies) by networks. Notably: For a transit network (neither sending or destination IPs belong to the network) For the sending network (originating IP belongs to