Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

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Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

John, Thank you for these. I'm glad to hear the stance on both of these. Brian From: NANOG on behalf of John Curran Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 5:04 AM To: Nanog Subject: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes) ICANN response request from the Uk

Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

> >> It’s already spread to the news - >> https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ >> >> Ryan >> >> *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of >> *George >> Herbert >> *Sent:* Tuesday, Marc

Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

o the news - > https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ > > Ryan > > *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *George > Herbert > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM > *To:* Nanog > *Subject:* Ukraine reque

ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

olitics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by Bill Woo

Re: Ukraine request yikes

It appears that Carsten Bormann said: >On 2. Mar 2022, at 17:38, wrote: >> >> “democracy” > >PSA: Please read > >https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/ > >before using words like this again. Nice article, definitely worth reading.

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 2. Mar 2022, at 17:38, wrote: > > “democracy” PSA: Please read https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/ before using words like this again. I hope this PSA is useful enough for minimizing “discussion" to warrant this otherwise

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 16:15, Glen Turner wrote: Pretty much every nation has existing telecommunications laws with power for regulation to require telecommunications providers not to provide service to particular nation-states. Law written in an era where Russia military deployment and expansionary policy w

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's no need for Ukraine to engage ICAAN to achieve its goals. Pretty much every nation has existing telecommunications laws with power for regulation to require telecommunications providers not to provide service to particular nation-states. Law w

Re: Ukraine request yikes

It appears that Daniel Suchy via NANOG said: >It's also technically possible to perform full AXFR from some official >root-server (it's allowed on some instances) and bring your own >root-server locally-anycasted instance anywhere you want. It's not just possible, it's quite common. See RFC 88

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/2/22 11:57 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > There is a reason that the US Government was developing and promulgating > things like TOR, for a while. Turns out if you run 2/3 of the tor nodes, you can unmask people. Governments are not capable of b

RE: Ukraine request yikes

om: NANOG On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM To: George Herbert ; Nanog Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world. They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. On 3/1/22 3:16 A

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 8:53 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world.  They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. I think it's very important to differentiate between Russia as the governmental entity and Russia as the body of g

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Anybody remember the days when: - News of the USSR's fall was leaking out over USENET? - Folks were live posting from gas-proofed rooms in Israel, during one of the wars? There is a reason that the US Government was developing and promulgating things like TOR, for a while.  Kind of useless i

Re: Ukraine request yikes

ne-- I will only say that I find the request by the government there to be "extremely consistent with Ukrainian values". -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM To: George Herbert ; Nanog Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 10:54, Matt Hoppes wrote: [External Email] Information sharing should increase on the ATTACKED side... it should DECREASE and be cut off on the non-provoked attacker's side. Trouble is, that leads to two deleterious effects in this case: 1) The rest of the world is left with just the

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Information sharing should increase on the ATTACKED side... it should DECREASE and be cut off on the non-provoked attacker's side. On 3/1/22 3:53 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:19 AM George Herbert > wrote: Posted by Bill Woodcock on

Re: Ukraine request yikes

My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world. They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. On 3/1/22 3:16 AM, George Herbert wrote: Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 https://pas

RIPE NCC position (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… h

Re: Ukraine request yikes

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" - John Gilmore -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: Ukraine request yikes

China has worried that the root server operators would do such a thing to them, and I have argued that it is contrary to our published principles (RaSSAC055) and or practice. “We have never done so; what would that serve?” I have the same question here. Sent using a machine that autocorrects in

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Again, aside from turning off the ICANN-operated root servers (which would be pointless), the remainder of the requests from the UA Government Advisory Committee member are not something ICANN could/would do unilaterally regardless of the validity of the justification. Regards, -drc > On Mar 1

Re: Ukraine request yikes

I concur, this is an extremely dangerous slippery slope that ICANN should refrain. There’s the possibility for misfires, misattribution and miscalculation that could backfire which is extremely concerning. — regards, /vrode > On Mar 1, 2022, at 00:56, Matthew Petach wrote: > >  > > >> On

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:17 AM George Herbert wrote: > > Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… > https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 > > https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS > > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke > address delegations, a

Re: Ukraine request yikes

logical solutions for Sociological problems >> >> From: NANOG on behalf of >> Bryan Fields >> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Ha

Re: Ukraine request yikes

n Fields > Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > > See .SU. > > > > (SU was moved from all

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Hello, On 3/1/22 21:08, David Conrad wrote: - Shutdown the root server instances operated by ICANN that are within Russia ICANN could conceivably do this unilaterally, but there are a lot more root server instances operated by other RSOs (including RIPE NCC, Verisign, ISC, and NASA). It's al

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Fields Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > See .SU. > > (SU was moved from allocated to "transitionally reserved” back when the >

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > See .SU. > > (SU was moved from allocated to "transitionally reserved” back when the > USSR broke up. My recollection is that an agreement was reached by which > .SU users would be migrated out to appropriate

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has >> asked ICANN to: >> - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs) >> >> As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a >> court/exe

Re: Ukraine request yikes

> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has > asked ICANN to: > - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs) > > As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a > court/executive order in ICANN’s jurisdiction (and even then, it

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:16 AM, George Herbert wrote: > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke > address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has asked ICANN to: - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:19 AM George Herbert wrote: > Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… > https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 > > https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS > > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, > revoke address delegations, and

RE: Ukraine request yikes

It’s already spread to the news - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by

Ukraine request yikes

Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. Seems… instability creating… -george