Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
Or I don't. Which is not completely impossible. In this piece: http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-puts-even-more-strain-on-the-internet-1200480561/ they suggest that Akamai and other ISP-side caching is either not affecting these numbers and their pertinence to the "backbone" at al

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-14 13:06, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-puts-even-more-strain-on-the-internet-1200480561/ > > they suggest that Akamai and other ISP-side caching is either not > affecting these numbers and their pertinence to the "backbone" at all, > or not much

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-14 13:06, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >> >> http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-puts-even-more-strain-on-the-internet-1200480561/ >> >> they suggest that Akamai and other ISP-side caching is either not >> affecting these

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 14, 2013, at 13:06 , Jay Ashworth wrote: > Or I don't. Which is not completely impossible. > > In this piece: > > > http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-puts-even-more-strain-on-the-internet-1200480561/ > > they suggest that Akamai and other ISP-side caching is either not > a

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 14, 2013, at 15:53 , Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-14 13:06, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >> >> http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-puts-even-more-strain-on-the-internet-1200480561/ >> >> they suggest that Akamai and other ISP-side caching is either not >> affecting these nu

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-14 20:55, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Since when is peering not part of the Internet? Yes, one car argue that an device with an IP address routable from the internet is part of the internet. But when traffic from a cahe server flows directly into an ISP's intranet to end users, it does

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 14, 2013, at 21:14 , Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-14 20:55, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >> Since when is peering not part of the Internet? > > Yes, one car argue that an device with an IP address routable from the > internet is part of the internet. Can argue? How would you def

RE: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread james
On May 14, 2013, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > But when traffic from a cahe server flows directly into an ISP's intranet to end users, it doesn't really make use of the "Internet" nor does it cost the ISP transit capacity. > Compare this to a small ISP in a city where there are no cache servers. >

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:14:56PM -0400, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-14 20:55, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > > Since when is peering not part of the Internet? > > Yes, one car argue that an device with an IP address routable from the > internet is part of the internet. > > But when t

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-15 06:24, ja...@towardex.com wrote: > We're a small ISP and we reach lot of content via peering just fine. Lot of > these contents that you speak of (Netflix, Akamai, et al) have open peering > policies and are present in more exchange points than anybody else. Not all ISPs are fortunat

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-15 06:24, ja...@towardex.com wrote: > >> We're a small ISP and we reach lot of content via peering just fine. Lot of >> these contents that you speak of (Netflix, Akamai, et al) have open peering >> policies and are present i

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-15 09:02, Brett Frankenberger wrote: > So it's only on the Internet if it uses a provider's transit capacity? I made the statement in a context of "the internet is crumbling under the Netflix load". There have been many media reports over the years of the internet unable to cope with the

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-15 09:02, Brett Frankenberger wrote: > >> So it's only on the Internet if it uses a provider's transit capacity? > > I made the statement in a context of "the internet is crumbling under > the Netflix load". There have been ma

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 15 May 2013 11:46:36 -0400, Jean-Francois Mezei said: > Not all ISPs are fortunate enough to be in a town where there is an > active exchange with Netflix/Akamai/Google presence. > > For instance, Montréal just recently oopened a peering exchange. While > this will eventually allow local

RE: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread James Jun
> Not all ISPs are fortunate enough to be in a town where there is an active exchange with Netflix/Akamai/Google presence. > For instance, Montréal just recently oopened a peering exchange. While this will eventually allow local ISPs to peer with > the big content providers, until this happens, sm

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 15, 2013, at 09:59 , Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-15 09:02, Brett Frankenberger wrote: > >> So it's only on the Internet if it uses a provider's transit capacity? All of this is leading me to the following conclusion: If we, as network engineers can't agree on the nature and

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-15 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-15 14:07, Owen DeLong wrote: > If we, as network engineers can't agree on the nature and definition of the > internet, > how can we possibly expect the media to understand it? When someone cuts a cable in the meditarenean, the media doesn't say "the internet has crawled to a snail's pac

RE: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-16 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
: Rikin adam -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:07 PM To: Jean-Francois Mezei Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet On May 15, 2013, at 09:59 , Jean-Francois Mezei wrote:

Re: Variety, On The Media, don't understand the Internet

2013-05-16 Thread David Temkin
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei < jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > Netflix's policy does require a minimum amount of traffic before an ISP > can deploy an Open Connect appliance. So smaller ISPs are at a > disadvantage if they are located in a city without CDN presenc