Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-07 Thread Charles Wyble
Been troubleshooting a very strange problem for a couple of weeks now. I have a few hundred systems deployed throughout the United States utilizing EVDO connectivity with Verizon as a carrier. They are stationary. Over the past few weeks clusters of them in SF and Lewisville TX and a few othe

Verizon EVDO issues

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Thursday 09 April 2009 15:31:10 Daniel Senie wrote: > On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > > > > Interesting. When I got my Sprint EVDO card (u727) a year and a half > > ago, they were pretty nasty about gunning down (bidirectional spoofed > > RST coming out of the middle of

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-08 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 22:10:24 Charles Wyble wrote: > Been troubleshooting a very strange problem for a couple of weeks now. > > I have a few hundred systems deployed throughout the United States > utilizing EVDO connectivity with Verizon as a carrier. They are stationary. > > Over the past few

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-08 Thread Nathan Ward
On 8/04/2009, at 10:27 PM, Alexander Harrowell wrote: Do they maintain a continuous data link in normal operation (like, say, connectivity for a LAN, or backhaul for a camera or some such), or do they request the data link when they need to send [whatever] (like a discrete SCADA system)? My

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-08 Thread Seth Mattinen
Alexander Harrowell wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 22:10:24 Charles Wyble wrote: >> Been troubleshooting a very strange problem for a couple of weeks now. >> >> I have a few hundred systems deployed throughout the United States >> utilizing EVDO connectivity with Verizon as a carrier. They are s

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-08 Thread Charles Wyble
Do they maintain a continuous data link in normal operation (like, say, connectivity for a LAN, or backhaul for a camera or some such), or do they request the data link when they need to send [whatever] (like a discrete SCADA system)? My (user only) experience is that cellular data service

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-08 Thread Charles Wyble
Update... First, thank you to all who replied off list. The general summary of the offlist replies, is that a PRL update may be needed. This of course doesn't appear doable via Linux, and our vendor (IRG) swore up and down this wouldn't be required. We had the tech remove the USB dongle (mo

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Seth Mattinen writes: > I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is > actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is something to > do. I regularly use everything from SSH to streaming video without any > issues. I only notice the delay with SSH when I don't

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Daniel Senie
On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Seth Mattinen writes: I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is something to do. I regularly use everything from SSH to streaming video without any

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:15:44 -0400 "Robert E. Seastrom" wrote: > > Seth Mattinen writes: > > > I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is > > actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is > > something to do. I regularly use everything from SSH to streami

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
"Steven M. Bellovin" writes: > On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:15:44 -0400 > "Robert E. Seastrom" wrote: > >> >> Seth Mattinen writes: >> >> > I have a few Sprint EVDO cards. They go into standby when nothing is >> > actively going on and fire up within seconds when there is >> > something to do. I r

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Daniel Senie writes: > We observe this same kind of behavior with firewalls in the path > watching for dead sessions they can clean up. Appears they send RSTs > to both end points when they decide a session has gone away, as > that'll let end hosts figure it out sooner. Same workaround of turnin

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:12:57 -0400 "Robert E. Seastrom" wrote: > > I use a Verizon Wireless u727; before that, I used a PCMCIA card. > > I've never had problems with drops on idle. *However* -- if there > > was a packet from the wrong IP address, the older card would drop > > the connection -- a

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
"Steven M. Bellovin" writes: >> Interesting. I never had that behavior exhibited on my old PCMCIA >> card on Verizon or on my u727 on Sprint. What OS platform were >> you on lappie-wise? > > I run NetBSD but I know that the problem also showed up on Linux -- a > friend who worked for an equipm

Re: Verizon EVDO Issues

2009-04-09 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:45:08AM -0400, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > Daniel Senie writes: > > We observe this same kind of behavior with firewalls in the path > > watching for dead sessions they can clean up. Appears they send RSTs > > to both end points when they decide a session has gone away,