Well now. Being scared is part of the insight :-)
And until I see a "No!!! Don't do it!!" post...
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:10 AM Randy Bush wrote:
> > This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the
> > insights and reading material. I feel expert already!
>
> then you should
> This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the
> insights and reading material. I feel expert already!
then you should be very scared
randy, who has been doing it for years and knows he is a weenie
This has all been a very huge help, and I am thankful for all the insights
and reading material. I fee expert already!
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 6:14 AM Mike Lyon wrote:
> They also have an awesome DAS installation there as well.
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> > I re
They also have an awesome DAS installation there as well.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
> I recently visited that installation. It's quite impressive and we are
> employing the "down-low" AP placement strategy on another high density
> project. The scheme uses human RF att
I recently visited that installation. It's quite impressive and we are
employing the "down-low" AP placement strategy on another high density project.
The scheme uses human RF attenuation to enable closer AP spacing, which in turn
supports a higher channel re-use ratio.
-mel beckman
> On Jun
And Aruba also did a kick-ass wireless installation at the new Levi's
Stadium in Santa Clara. Here is a White Paper on it:
http://arubanetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/stadiumRFfund.pdf
-Mike
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, John Todd wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2015, at 9:37, Sina Owolabi wrote:
>
On 20 Jun 2015, at 9:37, Sina Owolabi wrote:
I'd be grateful for any information on how to calculate for large
scale
wifi deployment
[snip]
While it is vendor specific (and therefore subject to certain biases)
I’ve found the Aruba VRD (Validated Reference Design) documentation
fairly clea
No wonder IPv4 is depleted. People's shoes have a MAC address nowadays...
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Rob Seastrom wrote:
>
> Stephen Satchell writes:
>
> > ... They just couldn't believe that 300 people could max out their system
> > ...
> > Last year, the group AVERAGED four devices each
Stephen Satchell writes:
> ... They just couldn't believe that 300 people could max out their system
> ...
> Last year, the group AVERAGED four devices each.
A *camping* event that I go to, that is by and large not a
technology-oriented consituency, averaged 2.6 devices per
attendee.
-r
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:28 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
>> picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
>> been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
>> first they can and they get
On 06/20/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
Waaay to many variables to answer the question. Each deployment is
different and requires proper engineering and experience...
And a good description of the problem, too, as I learned the hard way
trying to work with the IT people for a Ruckus installat
> What you need is more APs running at lower poer levels to cover
> smaller areas, spread out around the room.
lots of other trix. some of which i have seen are
o pull the asians off on to one or more channel 14 aps (but that's
old 11b days).
o set the aps low so the wetware attenuates
b
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> What gear was used at the last NANOG in SF? Was it indeed Xirrus?
>
> yes. but i would not blame the gear
I would blame some of the gear. Very bad bufferbloat (up to 1.5 sec of
latency) on the download direction.
http://snapon.lab.bufferblo
> What gear was used at the last NANOG in SF? Was it indeed Xirrus?
yes. but i would not blame the gear
Ps? Eager readers want to know. :)
> >
> > what was unclear about the following?
>
> +1
>
> > Randy Bush wrote:
> >> From: Randy Bush
> >> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> setup?
> >> To: Mike L
h
>> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
>> To: Mike Lyon
>> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
>> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:20:33 +0900
>> ...
>> having been in the back seat for many deployments over t
t; > Randy Bush wrote:
> > > From: Randy Bush
> > > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> > setup?
> > > To: Mike Lyon
> > > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
> > > Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2
know. :)
>
> what was unclear about the following?
>
> Randy Bush wrote:
> > From: Randy Bush
> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> setup?
> > To: Mike Lyon
> > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
&
> Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low
> power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :)
what was unclear about the following?
Randy Bush wrote:
> From: Randy Bush
> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low
power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :)
On Jun 20, 2015 10:30 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote:
> > My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
> > picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. Th
> My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
> picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
> been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
> first they can and they get link that's not good.
we're lucky those mean vicious bad
On 6/20/2015 11:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
first they can and they get link that's not good.
> My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients
> picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have
> been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the
> first they can and they get link that's not good.
>
> If people know of tricks to sol
ions
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- Original Message -
From: "Jared Mauch"
To: "James Hartig"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:05:51 PM
Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a hig
On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:27 PM, James Hartig wrote:
>> The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
>> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz.
>
> The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP
> Outdoor has. I own
On Jun 20, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
>> last NANOG conference.
>
> and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus
> units ]
My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clie
> The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz.
The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP
Outdoor has. I own a few UAP-AC v2's and I can confirm with the latest
firmwa
> Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great.
>
> Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at
> the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF
> penetration was awesome.
>
> Cisco is nothing to write home about an
> Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly
> at the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and
> RF penetration was awesome.
'fess up. it worked because of bluebottle next door
randy
Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great.
Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at
the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF
penetration was awesome.
Cisco is nothing to write home about and is over pric
I've actually never made it out to a NANOG conference, so I'm not sure. I
was just told this by peers who attended.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
> > last NANOG conference.
>
> and how did that work ou
> I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the
> last NANOG conference.
and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus
units ]
randy
At 10:41 20/06/2015 +, Sina Owolabi wrote:
http://www.extricom.com/ specializes in hi-density Wifi.
See:
http://www.extricom.com/category/large-venues
http://www.extricom.com/category/Event_Installations
-Hank
Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed that
it'
tdoor WISP use that do support DFS and have been cleared by the
>>> FCC,
>>> but we would only be looking at the UAP-PRO or UAP-AC in this case so
>>> maybe
>>> that's the point of confusion here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>&
pport DFS and have been cleared by the
>> > FCC,
>> > > but we would only be looking at the UAP-PRO or UAP-AC in this case so
>> > maybe
>> > > that's the point of confusion here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> &g
sity Wireless network
>>
>> > setup?
>> >
>> > Uhm he's not wrong...
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>
PRO or UAP-AC in this case so
> > maybe
> > > that's the point of confusion here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> > fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >
nt.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >
> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...
> Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> > On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
> >> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits
L 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman"
> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz"
> *Cc: *"NANOG list" , "Ray Soucy"
> *Sent: *Frida
m: "Josh Luthman" <>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> >
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <>> fai...@snappytelecom.net>> >
>> Cc: "NANOG list" <>> nanog@nanog.org>> >, "Ray Soucy" <>> r...@maine.edu>
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman"
> *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz"
> *Cc: *"NANOG list" , "Ray Soucy"
> *Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> setup?
>
> Uhm he'
quot;Faisal Imtiaz"
> Cc: "NANOG list" , "Ray Soucy"
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
> Uhm he's not wrong...
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct:
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi wrote:
> We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user density
> network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going to be
> 8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given time.
Hi Sina,
Quick terminolog
From: "Ray Soucy"
> > To: "Sina Owolabi"
> > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list"
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
> setup?
> >
> > I know you don
appy Internet & Telecom
- Original Message -
> From: "Ray Soucy"
> To: "Sina Owolabi"
> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list"
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
>
> I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had
> good luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a
> packed auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with
> the presenter).
the ietf is repeatedly successful with cisco kit at well over 1
I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've had good
luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a packed
auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with the
presenter).
The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't
su
I've got really great experience with Aruba. Don't know if it fits
your budged, though.
Rebards,
On 19 June 2015 at 08:24, Tyler Mills wrote:
> With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti, Ruckus would be the way
> to go.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:58 AM Sina Owolabi wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>
sage -
> > From: "Tyler Mills"
> > To: "Sina Owolabi" , "nanog@nanog.org list" <
> nanog@nanog.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:24:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network
>
elecom
- Original Message -
> From: "Tyler Mills"
> To: "Sina Owolabi" , "nanog@nanog.org list"
>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:24:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?
>
> Wit
Thanks! Everything is still in planning stage, though. Management is
leaning toward Ruckus.
Can I get suggestions for authentication and billing systems for wireless
users too?
Thanks for all the wisdom so far
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM Bartek Krawczyk
wrote:
> I've got really great experi
With that many users I cannot recommend Ubiquiti, Ruckus would be the way
to go.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:58 AM Sina Owolabi wrote:
> Hi
>
> We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user density
> network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going to be
> 8-10
Hi
We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user density
network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its going to be
8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given time.
We are looking at Ruckus and Ubiquiti as options to get over the high
number of dev
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