Re: ALTDB - Getting records removed

wrote: As stated yesterday, email was fixed on AltDB yesterday. Please try again. Thanks, Mike On May 16, 2018, at 08:55, Delacruz, Anthony B wrote: Ditto also interested have dozens of old entries from previous delegations would like to see cleaned up but my google-foo tells me i

Re: ALTDB - Getting records removed

As stated yesterday, email was fixed on AltDB yesterday. Please try again. Thanks, Mike > On May 16, 2018, at 08:55, Delacruz, Anthony B > wrote: > > Ditto also interested have dozens of old entries from previous delegations > would like to see cleaned up but my google-foo tel

RE: ALTDB - Getting records removed

is the "Is anyone still maintaining altdb.net? thread from April 2011. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of John Hurley Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 11:16 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ALTDB - Getting records removed Hi All, Recently acquir

Re: ALTDB - Getting records removed

The altdb email system should have been fixed earlier today. You may want to try to reach out to them again. Thanks, Mike > On May 12, 2018, at 09:15, John Hurley wrote: > > Hi All, > > Recently acquired a new 2-byte AS number from ARIN. It had a previous owner > whom ha

ALTDB - Getting records removed

Hi All, Recently acquired a new 2-byte AS number from ARIN. It had a previous owner whom had records setup at ALTDB. I've sent emails to request removal but haven't heard anything back. Any tips or a different venue I can use to get in touch with the altdb folks?

AltDB bouncing emails

I've been trying to get some super old entries removed from altdb, however the db-admin email bounces: The mail system : host pobox.rubinbroadcasting.com[65.50.205.32] said: 550     5.7.1 Unable to relay (in reply to RCPT TO command) Is there another contact here? Also, if anyone

ALTDB maintainer creation

Hello all, Any chance anyone has a contact for any of the ALTDB admins? I put in a maintainer creation request several months ago and haven't heard back. Working with an upstream who will only take ALTDB or LOAs and would like to avoid having to due LOAs in the future. Thanks all, Jacob Slater

altdb

I hate to ask via this route... Could someone from altdb.net please contact me off list? Thanks, -Mike -- Michael T. Voity Network Engineer University of Vermont

Re: ALTDB question.

mount of time to wait for such a reply ? d) Is there a way to check to see if the Maintainer object has been created ? Once created, your maintainer object will be visible in the whois served by whois.altdb.net. If you're just getting started with IRR, no offense intended towards ALTD

ALTDB question.

d) Is there a way to check to see if the Maintainer object has been created ? Many thanks in advance. I dealing with Altdb for the first time, so am looking for some base for what to expect and or not to expect. Regards.   Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom

altdb contact

Dear Nanog member, I would like to know if there is anyone on this mailing list who is volunteering to help manage altdb.net It seems like no one is actually responding to db-ad...@altdb.net We need to update information on our new address block that was originally owned by a different company.

Re: altdb?

On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Justin Zipkin wrote: > Anybody know what the scoop is with ALTDB? It's been down since yesterday. I just fixed it. -jav

altdb

I'm trying to register my maintainor object to altdb. Is there any documentation on how to do this? Here is what I sent to auto-...@altdb.net mntner: MAINT-JIVE descr: Jive Communications, Inc. admin-c:BEP7-ARIN tech-c: BEP7-ARIN u

Re: ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM, John Curran wrote: >> Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there >> were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to ARIN's IRR >> system. ARIN has looked at the in

Re: ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM, John Curran wrote: > Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there > were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to ARIN's IRR > system. ARIN has looked at the integration issues involved and has scheduled > an upgrade

Re: ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there >> were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to ARIN's IRR >> system. ARIN has looked at the integration issues involved and has scheduled >> an upgrade

Re: ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

> Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there > were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to ARIN's IRR > system. ARIN has looked at the integration issues involved and has scheduled > an upgrade to the IRR system that will accept PGP and CRYPT-PW

ARIN IRR Authentication (was: Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:14 AM, John Curran wrote: > As noted, we're now looking into how to fix the IRR authentication > situation and will report back asap. Based on the ARIN's IRR authentication thread a couple of weeks ago, there were suggestions placed into ARIN's ACSP process for changes to

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Jack Bates wrote: > On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote: >> Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at >> ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication >> channels and that additional structures to e

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Koch, Andrew wrote: > As you are checking out authentication, can you also check out the notify > fields as well. I was informed in July 2010 that neither mnt-nfy nor notify > fields were operational. I submitted suggestion 2011.2 requesting these be > activated.

RE: AltDB?

On Jan 11, 2011 at 8:14AM, John Curran wrote: > It's perfectly understandable, and doesn't distract from your main > point that the circumstances (ARIN effectively mandating MAIL-FROM > for authentication) is patently unacceptable and shouldn't require any > more effort than pointing such

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote: Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication channels and that additional structures to encourage participation and input in the ARIN region regar

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Doug Barton wrote: > On (admittedly) cursory exam I didn't see a form to submit anything, so I > gravitated to the rather large login widget under the assumption that it must > be important because it's so big. :) > ... Doug - It's perfectly understandable, an

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:23 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Owen, > > On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a >>> variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make >>> use of. In other areas of publi

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:52 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Owen, > > On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. > > Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members? > To the best of my knowledge, yes. >> They can and sometimes

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

Lee, On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > Are you saying ARIN needs an ombudsman function to make sure the Board > doesn't delay implementation of things the community wants while it figures > out whether doing such things will prevent it from doing other things the > community wants

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

Owen, On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members? > They can and sometimes do discuss operational matters there. Operational matters that impact more than members? > The AC

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

Owen, On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a variety >> public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make use of. In >> other areas of public service provision, there are things like public >> utilit

Re: AltDB?

On 01/10/2011 19:18, John Curran wrote: On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 01/09/2011 10:09, John Curran wrote: Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN suggestion process: ... Now it seems that you

Re: AltDB?

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, John Curran wrote: "Any person in the ARIN community is welcome to make a suggestion regarding an existing or potential ARIN service or practice. Such a suggestion will be sent to ARIN as described at Suggestion Submission page. " I j

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 01/09/2011 10:09, John Curran wrote: >> Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN >> suggestion process: > ... > Now it seems that you acknowledged that further on in th

Re: AltDB?

On 01/09/2011 10:09, John Curran wrote: On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: In terms of database size, excluding RIPE, the ARIN IRR is the 8th largest, ahead of ALTDB and about 10% as large as Level3, the second largest IRR database (except RIPE.) A mass-corruption of the ARIN IRR

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

>> PPML is a forum for the community (not just ARIN members, the entire >> community). > Good to know. I was under the impression that it was member only. > Nope... Anyone interested can subscribe to PPML. >> There is a separate mailing list... arin-discuss which is for members of >> ARIN to di

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On 1/10/2011 5:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. The fact that there is more traffic on ppml dealing with the NRPM than there is on arin-discuss dealing with other issues is a matter of where the members choose to focus their attention more tha

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Jack Bates wrote: > On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote: >> Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types >> of >> services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is >> specific direction to ARIN to "do xyz",

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote: > >>> I am simply suggesting it is dangerous and irresponsible to run an IRR >>> with only MAIL-FROM authentication, and quite easy to also support >>> CRYPT-PW.  ARIN should either support passwords or

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

passwords are publicly accessible, even CRYPT-PW is not much security. I suspect with a copy of the db, a passsword cracking program, and some modest computing capacity, you could crack all the passwords in ALTDB before this thread dies. I've been trying to convert from CRYPT-PW to PGPKEY auth,

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote: Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types of services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is specific direction to ARIN to "do xyz", then ultimately the decision rests with the ARIN Board regard

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

ot operate an IRR database. Now I have to find a new place to publish my IRR data, *and* my new transit provider doesn't offer it as a service. If I have a need for IRR, I had better hope one of my other transit providers offers me a database, or use RADB, ALTDB, or another third-party databa

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:47 PM, John Curran wrote: > Jeff - ARIN does indeed have folks who worry about whether the policy > development process is being followed.  We also have folks who actually > implement the policy and issue number resources. And we all agree that this is ARIN's primary rol

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

I've been staying quiet on this thread, but as one person who has used (and still maintains a number of records) ARIN's IRRd, I'll respond. Firstly, There are many networks with whom want to put their IRR objects into a neutral and objective database.I know that AltDB is "

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:48 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? I think so. In theory it seems useful. In practice... http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/05/keeping-score.shtml not so much. 2

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:41 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>> 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? >> > > I am simply s

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > > Why should an operational security issue with the ARIN IRR be handled > as a policy issue? Operational security matters should simply be fixed; that's not a policy matter but an implementation issue. > Do you know that I have emailed ARIN abou

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:33 PM, John Curran wrote: > My reason for responding is simply to make sure that ARIN is doing > what the community wants.  I won't deny that this may take some time > depending on exactly what is involved, but in my mind that is far > better than not fixing the situation.

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > > John, > > I appreciate you taking time to respond to this while on vacation. > However, I think we all know that your response is not a "here is how > you tell us what to do," it's a "here is our cop-out response to make > an incredibly simple f

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > jeff, i do not disagree that running an irr instance with only mail-from > is s 1980s.  and, as mans points out, there is free software out > there to do it (i recommend irrd).  but i do not see good cause for arin > to spend anything non-tri

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

>>>   Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>>           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? >> >> the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin >> providing an open and free instance is a public good.  again, iff it is >> easy and che

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>   Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? >>           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? > > the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin > providing an open and free instance is a

Re: AltDB?

Subject: Re: AltDB? Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 06:09:13PM + Quoting John Curran (jcur...@arin.net): > On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN > suggestion process: <https://www.arin.net/part

Re: AltDB?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM, John Curran wrote: >  Please suggest your preferred means of IRR authentication to the ARIN >  suggestion process: >  Alternatively, point to a best practice document from the operator >  community for what should b

arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:11 AM, David Conrad wrote: > Another view is that ARIN's whole and sole reason for being is to provide > services to the network operators in the ARIN region. As such, it would be > ill-advised for ARIN to change those services without consulting the > community that ARIN s

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

> Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? > 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? the irr is slightly useful today. so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin providing an open and free instance is a public good. again, iff it is easy and cheap. and please

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: >> Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? > > If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? Jon - Existence of not in and of itself proof that the services are presently desired by the community, nor that there are b

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, John Curran wrote: Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? -- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer

Re: AltDB? (IRR support & direction at ARIN)

On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > I would like to note that RADB had route6: support in about 2004 or > so, if my memory serves me; while the ARIN database did not accept > route6 objects until about a year ago. So it is not exactly a high > priority for ARIN. The priority of IR

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:09 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > In terms of database size, excluding RIPE, the ARIN IRR is the 8th > largest, ahead of ALTDB and about 10% as large as Level3, the second > largest IRR database (except RIPE.) A mass-corruption of the ARIN IRR > overnight might

RE: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

> On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > > I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current Operational > Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document BCOPs. > > While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the questi

Re: AltDB?

y use it.  if you In terms of database size, excluding RIPE, the ARIN IRR is the 8th largest, ahead of ALTDB and about 10% as large as Level3, the second largest IRR database (except RIPE.) A mass-corruption of the ARIN IRR overnight might be a serious incident causing service impact to a large

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Taking your prior language at face value, which you elided, it appears >> that you have no intent of any future participation in ARIN processes. > > i am doing so right here and now. you just don't like my choice of > forum and probably my messag

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 8, 2011, at 1:15 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Lee, > > On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: >> I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current >> Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and >> document BCOPs. > > While I

Re: AltDB?

> I at least think that whatever future and time-table is planned for > RPKI, this should not stand in the way of ARIN offering an effective > authentication mechanism for the ARIN IRR. > ... > I really do wonder what ARIN's plan is if a bad guy decides to forge > emails and delete or modify some o

Re: AltDB?

> Taking your prior language at face value, which you elided, it appears > that you have no intent of any future participation in ARIN processes. i am doing so right here and now. you just don't like my choice of forum and probably my message. tough patooties. randy

Re: AltDB?

> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:25:33 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: AltDB? > > > Let me see if I've got this right -- you think ARIN should change their > > policies, but _you_ are not willing to put in any personal effort to make >

Re: AltDB?

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > I don't think rr.arin.net and RPKI have anything to do with each > other. I think the direction the RPKI should/is taking is to have the I at least think that whatever future and time-table is planned for RPKI, this should not stand in t

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > Let me see if I've got this right -- you think ARIN should change their > policies, Not policies. Operations. Or rather, how ARIN communicates and obtains buy-in from the operational community regarding operations that affect that community. > b

Re: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a > variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must > make use of. In other areas of public service provision, there are > things like public utilities commissions that (in theory) ensure the > monopoly servic

Re: AltDB?

> Let me see if I've got this right -- you think ARIN should change their > policies, but _you_ are not willing to put in any personal effort to make > it happen, right? i not put in personal effort? you're kidding or really new here, right? one underlying problem with the RIRs, ICANN, ... is t

arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

Lee, On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current > Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and > document BCOPs. While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the ques

Re: AltDB?

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Abhijit Phanse wrote: > Could you please remove all @unitedlayer.com addresses from this > distribution. > > Thanks in advance. I think you mean to ask this of nanog-admin ... though honestly @unitedlayer.com folks CAN request that themselves (with the associated m

Re: AltDB?

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > Getting back to the original topic...sort of: thanks! > [1] Don't care is probably too strong.  At this point in time, I don't think > it makes sense to get hung up on it and refuse to do any authentication if > we're not doing RPKI, but not imp

Re: AltDB?

Getting back to the original topic...sort of: Looking at the data from altdb, it's not as widely used as I'd have guessed. There are 461 mntner objects. Of these, 268 use MAIL-FROM authentication. 192 use CRYPT-PW. At least those are the split if you look at just the first auth

Re: AltDB?

> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:08:12 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > Subject: Re: AltDB? > > > aha! there we go. the old ietf attitude. you come to the mountain. > > well, i'll tell you what i told the ietf. the high and mighty mountain > can bite my ass. Let me s

Re: AltDB?

> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:17:55 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > > let me be a bit more clear on this thanks. > o you affect the operational community, you talk with (not to) the > operational community where the operational community talks i think arin does this today. certainly that is th

Re: AltDB?

> From: David Conrad > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 23:11:32 -1000 > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > the price of changing what ARIN does is, at a minimum: participation. > > Another view is that ARIN's whole and sole reason for being is to > provide services to the network operato

RE: AltDB?

> -Original Message- > From: David Conrad [mailto:d...@virtualized.org] > > The definition of what comes under the "public policy mailing list" umbrella has always been > a bit confusing to me. Too bad something like the APNIC SIGs and RIPE Working Groups > don't really exist in the ARI

RE: AltDB?

> example, considering that arin is managing a public resource for the > community, why are bot meetings not streamed a la cspan? Having watched Congress on CSPAN, and heard reports about open ICANN Board meetings, it looks to me like making deliberative meetings public means nothing substantive

Re: AltDB?

>> the price of changing what ARIN does is, at a minimum: participation. > aha! there we go. the old ietf attitude. you come to the mountain. > well, i'll tell you what i told the ietf. the high and mighty mountain > can bite my ass. let me be a bit more clear on this o you affect the opera

Re: AltDB?

Paul, On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > the price of changing what ARIN does is, at a minimum: participation. Another view is that ARIN's whole and sole reason for being is to provide services to the network operators in the ARIN region. As such, it would be ill-advised for ARIN

Re: AltDB?

> the price of changing what ARIN does is, at a minimum: participation. aha! there we go. the old ietf attitude. you come to the mountain. well, i'll tell you what i told the ietf. the high and mighty mountain can bite my ass. randy

Re: AltDB?

> From: David Conrad > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:01:52 -1000 > > > do you have a specific proposal? i've noted in the past that arin tries > > hard to stick to its knitting, which is allocation and allocation policy. > > Yes. This is a positive (IMHO), however it seems that occasionally, > ARIN's

Re: arin and ops fora (was: AltDB? RPKI, the universe, and ...)

>> one difference in north america from the other 'regions' is that there >> is a strong and very separate operator community and forum. > Right. However, it seems to me that this strong separation has led to > exactly the problem you raised. The issue, as far as I can tell, is > that there are f

Re: AltDB?

>> first, it would really help if the arin bot and management were much >> more open about these issues and decisions. at the detailed level. we >> are all not fools out here, present company excepted :). for a radical >> example, considering that arin is managing a public resource for the >> co

Re: arin and ops fora (was: AltDB? RPKI, the universe, and ...)

Randy, On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > one difference in north america from the other 'regions' is that there > is a strong and very separate operator community and forum. Right. However, it seems to me that this strong separation has led to exactly the problem you raised. The i

Re: AltDB?

> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:47:51 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > ... > more recent rumors, and john's posting here, seem to indicate that > ... even to the extent that i know what's really happened or happening, i'd be loathe to comment on rumours. i have high confidence in arin's board and staff, a

arin and ops fora (was: AltDB? RPKI, the universe, and ...)

> The issue I see is that there are non-address allocation{, policy} > topics that can deeply affect network operations in which ARIN has a > direct role, yet network operators (outside of the normal ARIN > participants) have no obvious mechanism in which to > comment/discuss/etc. Examples would i

Re: AltDB?

Paul, On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: >> The definition of what comes under the "public policy mailing list" >> umbrella has always been a bit confusing to me. Too bad something like >> the APNIC SIGs and RIPE Working Groups don't really exist in the ARIN >> region. > > do you have

Re: AltDB?

[ caveat: i am *one of* the architects of all this, and am paid to work on it, currently (indirectly) by the usg dhs. ] for background, the other four rirs have rolled rpki out in the last weeks, apnic and afrinic with the up/down protocol, ripe web only, and i am not well informed about lacnic'

Re: AltDB?

note that while i am also an ARIN trustee, i am speaking here as what randy calls "just another bozo on this bus". for further background, ISC has done some rpki work and everybody at ISC including me likes rpki just fine. when the ARIN board was first considering funding ISC to do some early rpk

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

>> had a lot of excellent software that did all sorts of impressive stuff >> with the IRR, but I guess that all went into the bit bucket when UUnet >> took over. > we did require you to email nacr-list@ :) that didn't help? and he processed on wednesday, not exactly optimal for ops. if we are lis

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:24:01 +0900 >> From: Randy Bush >> >> > I think ACLs here means prefix-lists ... or I hope that's what Randy >> > meant? >> >> sorry.  yes, irr based prefix lists.  and, sad to say, data which have >> sucked for 15+

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:24:01 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > > > I think ACLs here means prefix-lists ... or I hope that's what Randy > > meant? > > sorry. yes, irr based prefix lists. and, sad to say, data which have > sucked for 15+ years. i was the poster child for the irr, and it just > n

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > pls express this to your local BoT or AC or ARIN Rep... see the other thread. As I am not an ARIN member nor do I have any ARIN-delegated resources, it isn't clear to me who my local BoT/AC/ARIN Rep might be. However, as I'm aware some of

Re: AltDB?

> I heard about the delay, but not about ARIN possibly not doing RPKI. there are arin board members, one in particular i am told, that do not like the rpki. including side contracts to turn the irr pig's ear into a silk purse. randy

Re: AltDB?

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:21 AM, David Conrad wrote: > On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> i have a rumor that arin is delaying and possibly not doing rpki that >> seems to have been announced on the ppml list (to which i do not >> subscribe). > > I heard about the delay, but not abou

Re: AltDB?

On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > i have a rumor that arin is delaying and possibly not doing rpki that > seems to have been announced on the ppml list (to which i do not > subscribe). I heard about the delay, but not about ARIN possibly not doing RPKI. That would be ... surprisi

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

> I think ACLs here means prefix-lists ... or I hope that's what Randy > meant? sorry. yes, irr based prefix lists. and, sad to say, data which have sucked for 15+ years. i was the poster child for the irr, and it just never took off. [ irr data are pretty bad except for some islands where the

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

>> actually, the formal rpki-based origin-validation stuff is measured >> to take *less* cpu, a lot less, than ACLs > On the platforms which really matter in terms of rPKI, ACLs are > handled in hardware, so this is pretty much a wash. really? it was measured on a GSR. full check on a prefix, 10

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> actually, the formal rpki-based origin-validation stuff is measured to take >> *less* cpu, a lot less, than ACLs > > On the platforms which really matter in terms of rPKI, ACLs are hand

Re: ARIN and the RPKI (was Re: AltDB?)

On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > actually, the formal rpki-based origin-validation stuff is measured to take > *less* cpu, a lot less, than ACLs On the platforms which really matter in terms of rPKI, ACLs are handled in hardware, so this is pretty much a wash. Concur on all t

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