best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:29:15AM -0600, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote: > >> Creating a standard on what to put in WHOIS/DNS for >> dynamic/static/infrastructure would make a lot of sense, seems nobody is >> doing it though. > > As previously noted in this thread, msulli...@sorbs did a fairly goo

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 07:54 AM, Steven Champeon wrote: In a nutshell, if you're not clearly indicating mail sources as mail sources, don't expect great deliverability. If you're running a Web hosting shop and don't have rate-limited outbound smarthosts, expect all your clients' mail to be suspected of be

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:11:18AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > I'd say that Mikael Abrahamsson's sentiment (or at least the way I read > it) would be a better start: take a step back and ask what the problem is. Well, as I see it, the problem is a widespread and systemic failure to prevent mass

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4b211da6.9000...@mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas writes: > On 12/10/2009 07:54 AM, Steven Champeon wrote: > > In a nutshell, if you're not clearly indicating mail sources as mail > > sources, don't expect great deliverability. If you're running a Web > > hosting shop and don't have rate-limi

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message<4b211da6.9000...@mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas writes: To Crocker's point though: if IETF came up with a way to publish your network's dynamic space (assuming that's The Problem!), would operators do that? Or is this another case where the energ

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-10, at 16:42, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> The way to do this is to put other data in the ip6.arpa/in-addr.arpa and >> stop trying to infer things from the PTR records. > > Sigh. What is the "this" to which you refer? I think Mark means "t

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 09:06 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2009-12-10, at 16:42, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: The way to do this is to put other data in the ip6.arpa/in-addr.arpa and stop trying to infer things from the PTR records. Sigh. What is the "this" to which y

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:27:44AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 12/10/2009 09:06 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> I think Mark means "the question of whether a particular address is >> statically-assigned or dynamically-assigned", but... > > Which assumes that that's the question that actually needs t