Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-18 Thread JC Dill
On 16/10/12 8:06 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On 10/16/12, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to take a look at: http://www.lavarnd.org/news/lavadiff.html It's interesting... though Lava lamps require heat to work, so not necessarily energy efficient. In theory, you shouldn't

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-16 Thread JC Dill
On 11/10/12 5:01 PM, shawn wilson wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or are some tasks better than others? You might want to take

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-16 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:11:20PM +0100, Jasper Wallace wrote: and with ekeyd-egd-linux you can distribute the entropy from an entropykey over the net - great for giving vm some randomness. You would then be interested in http://hundun.ae7.st. Server I setup just a week or so ago doing this

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-16 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 10/16/12, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting... though Lava lamps require heat to work, so not necessarily energy efficient. In theory, you shouldn't really need the lava lamp part. Just the digital camera part.. operate at a high ISO, say ISO 3000, dark background,

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-14 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, When you let OpenSSH use the egd protocol directly it will get its entropy from an egd daemon. Otherwise it uses /dev/random. When you use ekeyd-egd-linux then you feed the entropy from the egd daemon to the pool used for /dev/random. That way you are not completely dependent on the egd

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-14 Thread Oliver
On Friday 12 October 2012 00:01:18 shawn wilson wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or are some tasks better than others?

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-13 Thread Jasper Wallace
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Dan White wrote: On 10/11/12 17:08 -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-13 Thread shawn wilson
again, to add some input to my own question - i happened to be compiling openssh and found this in the install doc: NB. If you operating system supports /dev/random, you should configure OpenSSL to use it. OpenSSH relies on OpenSSL's direct support of /dev/random, or failing that, either prngd or

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-12 Thread Lex van Roon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Shawn, On 12/10/12 02:01, shawn wilson wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Shawn, On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 04:05:22AM +, shawn wilson wrote: not sure how much others care about server entropy in general. however, after reading this: http://strugglers.net/~andy/blog/2010/06/06/adventures-in-entropy-part-1/ They are fun though I still have not found a good way

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or are some tasks better

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Tim Edwards
Nature, via radio active decay! http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/ -- Tim Edwards c: 206-604-5776 On Thursday, October 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 10/11/12, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or are You are referring to the entropy pool

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/11/12, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:25:37PM -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: Yes, but then you're also introducing a way for an external attacker to transmit data that can be mixed into your entropy pool. XORring predictable data to random data does not yield a predictable result. /dev/random is world

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 11, 2012, at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets your cpu to peak or are some tasks better than

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Robert M. Enger
On 10/11/2012 5:08 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever gets

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Robert M. Enger na...@enger.us wrote: On 10/11/2012 5:08 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube,

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 50776926.1030...@enger.us, Robert M. Enger writes: On 10/11/2012 5:08 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 10/11/12, Jonathan Lassoff j...@thejof.com wrote: Yes, but then you're also introducing a way for an external attacker to transmit data that can be mixed into your entropy pool. The binary operations used to 'mix in' data preserve entropy, when non-random data is mixed in, given the

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:20:02 -0500, Jimmy Hess said: You could setup a video capture card or radio tuner card, tune it into a good noise source Finally, a good use for political talk radio. :) pgpGRW6vGgt7E.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Dan White
On 10/11/12 17:08 -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what is best? just whatever

Re: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Jonathan Lassoff j...@thejof.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy - encode videos, watch youtube, tcpdump -vvv /dev/null, compiled a kernel. but, what

RE: best way to create entropy?

2012-10-11 Thread Naslund, Steve
PM To: Jonathan Lassoff Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: best way to create entropy? On 10/11/12 17:08 -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: in the past, i've done many different things to create entropy