> Exactly. And there's no disconnect: usenet doesn't scale because each object
> is copied to all core nodes rather than referenced, or copied-as-needed, or
> other. This design of distributed messaging platform will eventually break
> as it grows.
Usenet scales far more gracefully than the
On 3/31/20 10:06 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Not pretty, but at least it could fit 4 xterms on-screen. In that
sense, it was almost as functional as my ragingly fast desktop is
these days.
Link - Terminal forever <3
- http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/12/22/terminal-forever/
--
Grant. . . .
Joe Greco wrote on 31/03/2020 15:55:
There's a strange disconnect here. The concept behind Usenet is to have
a distributed messaging platform. It isn't clear how this would work
without ... well, distribution. The choice is between flood fill and
perhaps something a little smarter, for which
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 01:46:09PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 23:14:
> Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks,
> just like Bj??rn admitted. Flooding is inherently problematic at scale.
> >>>
> >>>For... what, exactly? General
Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 23:14:
Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks,
just like Bj??rn admitted. Flooding is inherently problematic at scale.
For... what, exactly? General Usenet?
yes, this is what we're talking about. It couldn't scale to general
On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
have matured and become
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:56 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
> > have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical
> > end users on high speed
On 3/30/20 11:28 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:18:37PM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote:
The thing that mailing lists lack is a central directory of their
existence. The discovery problem is a pretty big one.
Where is this to be found for webforums? I have never seen one. Or do
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:18:37PM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> >The thing that mailing lists lack is a central directory of their
> >existence. The discovery problem is a pretty big one.
>
> Where is this to be found for webforums? I have never seen one. Or do
> you think Google is such a
On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
have matured and become
On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote:
>On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
>>> Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
>>> have matured and become a better choice of technology for
On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical
end users on high speed Internet connections.
My
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
> have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical
> end users on high speed Internet connections.
My view is that the move to web forums is a
>
> Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums
> have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical
> end users on high speed Internet connections.
>
The solaris groups for info worked great
Psinet uk liked using the sun kit for great nntp even uucp
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 04:18:51PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 3/29/20 1:46 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
> >>
> >>The concept of flooding isn't problematic by itself.
> >>Flood often works
On 3/29/20 1:46 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
The concept of flooding isn't problematic by itself.
Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks,
just like Bj??rn admitted.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>because it uses flooding and can't guarantee reliable message
> >>distribution, particularly at higher traffic levels.
> >
>
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Bj??rn Mork wrote on 29/03/2020 13:44:
> >How is nntp non-scalable?
>
> because it uses flooding and can't guarantee reliable message
> distribution, particularly at higher traffic levels.
That's so hideously wrong. It's like
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:31:50PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 21:46:
> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >>>That's so hideously wrong. It's like claiming web forums don't
> >>>work because IP packet delivery isn't reliable.
> >>
>
Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 21:46:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
That's so hideously wrong. It's like claiming web forums don't
work because IP packet delivery isn't reliable.
Really, it's nothing like that.
Sure it is. At a certain point you can get web
Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
because it uses flooding and can't guarantee reliable message
distribution, particularly at higher traffic levels.
That's so hideously wrong. It's like claiming web forums don't
work because
Bjørn Mork wrote on 29/03/2020 13:44:
How is nntp non-scalable?
because it uses flooding and can't guarantee reliable message
distribution, particularly at higher traffic levels.
The fact that it ended up having to implement TAKETHIS is only one
indication of what a truly awful protocol it
Nick Hilliard writes:
> nntp is a non-scalable protocol which broke under its own
> weight.
How is nntp non-scalable? It allows an infinite number of servers
connected in a tiered network, where you only have to connect to a few
other peers and carry whatever part of the traffic you want.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 05:27:41PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> nntp is a non-scalable protocol which broke under its own weight. Threaded
> news-readers are a great way of catching up with large mailing lists if
> you're prepared to put in the effort to create a bidirectional gateway. But
>
On 3/25/20 11:27 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
nntp is a non-scalable protocol which broke under its own weight.
That statement surprises me. But I'm WAY late to the NNTP / Usenet game.
Threaded news-readers are a great way of catching up with large mailing
lists if you're prepared to put in the
On 3/25/20 3:47 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
some of us still do uucp, over tcp and over pots.
My preference is to do UUCP over SSH (STDIO) over TCP/IP. IMHO the SSH
adds security (encryption and more friendly authentication (keys / certs
/ Kerberos)) and reduces the number of ports that need to
some of us still do uucp, over tcp and over pots. archaic, but still
the right tool for some tasks.
randy
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 09:59:53AM -0600, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> Something that might make you groan even more than NNTP is UUCP. UUCP
> doesn't even have the system-to-system (real time) requirement that NNTP
> has. It's quite possible to copy UUCP "Bag" files to removable media and
>
Thanks, my facepalm moment of the day (so far; it's
only 7:30am here) is...
Use tools from the past when the connections everywhere
were losy and slow. They already mentioned RT. I'll
mention that and NNTP/UUCP/etc.
scott
Paul Ebersman wrote on 25/03/2020 16:59:
And scary as it sounds, UUCP over SLIP/PPP worked remarkably
robustly.
uucp is a batch oriented protocol so it's pretty decent for situations
where there's no permanent connectivity, but uncompelling otherwise.
nntp is a non-scalable protocol which
woody> UUCP kicks ass.
And scary as it sounds, UUCP over SLIP/PPP worked remarkably
robustly. When system/network resources are skinny or scarce, you get
really good at keeping things working.
:)
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> UUCP doesn't even have the system-to-system (real time) requirement that NNTP
> has.
Brian Buhrow and I replaced a completely failing
database-synchronization-over-Microsoft-Exchange system with UUCP across
American President
In article <9f22cde2-d0a2-1ea1-89e9-ae65c4d47...@tnetconsulting.net> you write:
>I hadn't considered having a per system NNTP server. I sort of like the
>idea. I think it could emulate the functionality that I used to get out
>of Lotus Notes & Domino with local database replication. I rarely
On 3/25/20 5:39 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:> One of the tools that we've
had for a very long time but which is
often overlooked is NNTP. It's an excellent way to move information
around under exactly these circumstances: low bandwidth, lossy
connections -- and intermittent connectivity, limited
One of the tools that we've had for a very long time but which is
often overlooked is NNTP. It's an excellent way to move information
around under exactly these circumstances: low bandwidth, lossy
connections -- and intermittent connectivity, limited resources, etc.
Nearly any laptop/desktop
It would be a lot MORE relevant if there were some actual tools listed &
discussed!
Miles Fidelman
On 3/24/20 1:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
Hello,
I was watching SDNOG and saw the below conversation recently.
Here is the relavant part:
"I think this is the concern of all of us, how to work
Hello,I was watching SDNOG and saw the below conversation recently. Here is the relavant part:"I
think this is the concern of all of us, how to work from home and to
keep same productivity level,, we need collaborative tools to engaging the team. I am still searching for tool and apps that
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